Talk:Italian-American
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How come Domenici is also listed as the senator of New Mexico? Are these different people?
--Sam
I don't think this list should have been moved. If the main article got too long, the list and the article could have been separated. I'll move it back if no one objects. --Jiang 09:59, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Done --Jiang 06:42, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
I'm inclined to move this to Italian American, see [1] (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22Italian+American%22&btnG=Google+Search). --Jiang 06:42, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I agree. Traditional grammar dictates that a person is an Italian American, but they eat Italian-American cuisine for instance. Since the article starts "An Italian American is an American of Italian descent," then grammatically the article title should be the noun form, Italian American. See also: Hypenated American, which has an extensive discussion of the dropping of the hyphen even in the adjective form because it's seen to indicate mixed nationalities/loyalties.--Laura Scudder | Talk 20:33, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is the Peter Rodino mentioned here former U.S. Congressman Peter W. Rodino, Jr.? 18.24.0.120 20:15, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Frank Sinatra
It is WRONG that Frank Sinatra is listed as "singer with mob connections" on the list of "Famous Italian Americans." If you click on the link to the article on Frank Sintra, that article says:
Sinatra was dogged throughout his later career by accusations that he was in the Mafia and that his career was aided behind the scenes by associates in organized crime. J. Edgar Hoover apparently suspected Sinatra over the years, and Sinatra's file at the FBI ended up at 2,403 pages. Sinatra publicly rejected these accusations many times, and was never charged with any crimes in connection with them. The character Johnny Fontane in the book and movie The Godfather is inspired by Frank Sinatra and his alleged connections.
So the article itself says that Sinatra was "accused" and "apparently suspected" of having "alleged" mob connections, but "was never charged" with any crime. At the very least, the link to the Frank Sinatra article should say "singer with alleged mob ties." I urge Wikipedia to go further and eliminate completely from the list of Famous Italian-Americans the reference to Sinatra's alleged mob ties. Whereas the full article's discussion of these allegations (cited above) is balanced, it is unfair to take these unproven and speculative charges about Sinatra and put them, on the list of Famous Italian-Americans, on par with Sinatra's tremendous career as a singer.
Tom
Even if he did have mob connections, I fail to see how it is at all relevant to this particular article. He should be on there for his qualities as an artist, not for his vices, whatever they may be. -Travis
Arturo Toscanini is simply an Italian, being anti-fascist he lived 15-20 years in the US before WWII, but after the war he returned to Italy.
Moved page
I moved the page because far more pages linked to "Italian-American" than linked to "Italian American", and it is most often spelled with a hyphen. - BSveen 00:29, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Everybody wants to be reffered to as Americans
At the begining, it says that Italian-Amercans prefer to be called just Americans. That's true, but other ethnic groups in the United States feel the same way. Arab-Americans, Greek-Americans, Polish-Americans, German-Americans, Irish-Americans, French-Americans, etc., also liked to be reffered to as Americans as well.
i removed this statement because it is a broad statement and not true. there is no way to prove its validity therfore it should not be in the article. if it were true why are there orginizations called italian-american?
Italian in the United States
Why am I both creating the section Italian in the United States, and sticking a {{sectfact}} template on it? Having discovered Italian in the United States via Category:Wikipedia articles of dubious importance, I figured the best approach would be to merge/redirect it here, and call for attention of editors here. It's particularly hard to believe Italian-language newspapers haven't existed since the 1950s (see Italian-Canadian for a very vibrant media culture.)
I should also mention User:Vegaswikian, who tagged that article cleanup-importance, suggested on its talk page that it sounds almost like original research.
Anyway, no better people to see what can be made of it than the present company. :) Samaritan 16:30, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Italian newspapers were present at least into the mid-1990s. For example, America Oggi had a circulaiton of at least 30,000 daily issues. Source: NYT: As Mainstream Papers Cut Back, the Ethnic Press Expands Monday, July 22, 1996 p. D7 .. today that paper is distributed as part of La Republica so I don't know if it would be considered a seperate paper or not. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 16:48, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Requested move from Italian-American to Italian American
Italian-American → Italian American – Only adjective form is hyphenated, article title should be noun form. This is consistent with others' recent edits to the article text itself, and similar article like Arab American, African American and others. See:Hyphenated American. — Laura Scudder | Talk 20:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- Support. Titles should be nouns, not adjectives. — Knowledge Seeker দ 20:59, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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