Talk:History of Hawaii
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UN & Plebiscite
I am removing from the article History of Hawaii to here the sentence
- In 1999, the United Nations declared that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii's statehood was in violation of article 73 of the United Nations' charter.
- This is unacceptably vague as to what body (Security Council, General Assembly, or one of a flock of far less influential ones) is involved.
- It is supported
- primarily by clones copied from WP,
- secondarily by a few sites ranging from strident, PoV, and loosely reasoning to looney, and
- not at all, at least in several hours of Google work, by any site that gives an exact date, a specific UN body, or the name or number of any UN document other than the Charter.
I assume there is some real event behind it. If that event is an explicit ruling to the effect stated (and not something vague that partisans claim implies such violation) then i hope we can verify it and put more suitable language back into the article in place of this. --Jerzy 09:21, 2004 Feb 13 (UTC)
UN 1999
I assume there is some real event behind it. If that event is an explicit ruling to the effect stated (and not something vague that partisans claim implies such violation) then i hope we can verify it and put more suitable language back into the article in place of this.
Actually I know only that the UN confirmed that the plebiscite vote that led to Hawaii's statehood was in violation of Article 73 of the United Nations' charter. This was prompted by the United States Public Law 103-150. I'm not sure exactly what type of factual evidence you are looking for. Mamoahina 14:34, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- But how do you know this? People told you. Were they right? We don't know. As Jerzy said, we don't know WHICH arm of the UN did this confirmation. I very much doubt it went to the General Assembly. It had to have been a committee then, or something like that. We just need a reference, online or in a book, to pin it down. Zora 18:48, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Titles
Although I support the neutrality philosophy of WikiPedia, the title United States Government Minister doesn't make much sense to Americans since no such title exists. I'm guessing that it is relating to the Secretary of the Department of State. Does United States Government Minister make more sense to non-Americans? I don't know but the titles sure make it confusing. Perhaps a small addition clearing this up would be of some help?
Sources
This is one of the many pages on Wikipedia which I feel would really benefit from listed references. If anybody knows where the body of this work came from I highly suggest that you post it to resolve any conflicts, to allow further research, and to fact-check that which is already there. Nrbelex 01:48, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
