Talk:Flag of Iraq

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I'm sure the official flag of Iraq will be different than what is shown here (Saddam's handwriting is not going to play in the new Iraq), so this page will have to change. In fact, this page is probably already inaccurate since there are new people in charge of Iraq. I'd say that as of 4/24/04, there is no official flag of Iraq.

I disagree: the flag of an occupied country doesn't change just because it is occupied and the occupiers or people under their control say it should. Local news in Germany have mentioned that the United Nations at their headquarters in New York are still flying the "old" and arguably real current flag of Iraq, and that they are not going to change that until there is a truly sovereign Iraq again. I vote that someone check the UN headquarters building every once in a while and that we abide by the authority of that international body.

In the meantime, the "new" Iraqi flag should be introduced as what it really is: a draft for a future flag, in use by the occupying power of that country, but without legitimacy until a sovereign Iraq government asks the UN to change it (and this means real sovereignty, not "partial sovereignty").

The main picture on this page must therefore remain that of the pre-war flag of Iraq, if this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, and impartial.

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Little task for someone: draw an older flag from http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/iraq.htm

I got my information about the earlier flags from the FOTW site. Specifically:

• 1920 (http://www.fotw.net/flags/iq_1920.html). This is confusing: the order of the tricolor bands changes (to observe heraldic rules about tinctures touching, one reference appears to imply); the triangle is sometimes shown truncated; the two stars come and go.
• 1924 (http://www.fotw.net/flags/iq_kingd.html): the truncated triangle variant.
• 1959 (http://www.fotw.net/flags/iq_1959.html): the short-lived pre-Baath flag.

Just in case anyone's in the mood to draw flags. –Hajor 13:48, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The new flag can be controversial, but it is much prittier than the rest. It is the best flag on the comparison list. Pedro 00:59, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

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Contents

1 The comparison list: Sudan vs. Jordan 2 List of flags 3 Wikipedia is out of reality with the Iraqi flag 4 Proportions of new flag

The comparison list: Sudan vs. Jordan

I created another version of this image, [[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flags_of_the_Middle_East2.png)], in which I replaced the Sudanese flag with the Jordanian one. I found the Jordanian flag much more appropriate, considering their geographical adjacency and the special relationship between them. --Jeru 16:25, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

List of flags

Is anyone aware of the List of flags with blue article as well as 5 other pages of this kind, which are for red, white, yellow, green, and black?? In determining which list the flag of Iraq goes, which of the 2 flags determines the lists where the flag of Iraq goes?? 66.32.132.150 01:03, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

May I suggest you include both of them, as [[Flag of Iraq|Flag of Iraq (last modified in 1991)]] and [[Flag of Iraq|Flag of Iraq (2004 interim govt. proposal)]]? –Hajor 01:39, 15 May 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia is out of reality with the Iraqi flag

Why is Wikipedia showing the 2004-project flag as if it were an officially used flag of Iraq? Nobody uses that white flag, not even the Iraqi officials appointed by the US occupation power.

I have to agree. Every press conference of Allawi's government that I've seen on TV had the old (Saddam-era) flag. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the new flag has quietly been junked. -- ChrisO 17:20, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I thing showing the white flag the way it is is very POV and misleading.

About the way to write the arabic words in the Iraqi flag; I never saw the ugly childish handwriting shown on Wikipedia images; everytime an Iraqi flag is shown on TV (even at some press conferences done by previous iraqi govenrment at the beginning of the war) the writting on the flag was better looking. 212.100.178.141 16:01, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I've done a little bit of twiddling to emphasise that the white flag appears to have been abanoned - how does that look? I can't speak for the quality of writing, not being Arabic. Morwen - Talk 20:15, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I think what anon-IP was refering to was the old Saddam-era flag, the writing as it is now seems to have been added by someone not at all proficient in writing Arabic. The words should look a bit more like this (http://www.abouttajweed.com/allahu%20akbar.jpg) (without the vowels, of course). An example of this in usage is at the bottom of this MSNBC article (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4836348/). The problem is that the original CIA flag on which this is based also seems to have this problem, which means thousands of sites on the Internet carry the flag with this type of writing. Photoshoping the flag to add a typical Naskh-ish rendering shouldn't be that difficult... —Gabbe 12:30, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

"The flag of Iraq has had four different designs – plus one failed proposal – since the creation of Iraq in 1921."

I don't know, but I'd tend to think that, over time, there may very well have been other failed proposals besides just the 2004 one. Can anyone say for sure? I don't want the first sentence to contain a possible inaccuracy. Everyking 18:47, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Proportions of new flag

The image for the current Iraq flag (the one used by the interim government) has a proportion of 1:2, significantly different from the previous flag. Have the proportions really changed this much? – Mateo SA | talk 17:10, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

I have commented out the conflicting caption and left a note to future editors. [[User:Smyth|– Smyth]] 19:36, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)