Talk:F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

The History in this article... isn't. There is no mention of the JAST program that lead to the JSF.

sugarfish 00:15, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

You seem well informed. I suggest you edit the article -- Cabalamat 01:26, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Done. sugarfish 04:13, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Contents

1 Shots in slightly different angle. 2 WikiProject Aircraft 3 Yak-41 4 Australian JSF vs. F/A-22

Shots in slightly different angle.

awesome. Looks like the new Udvar-Hazy (damn the spelling) addition. I'm dying to spend a few days there sometime. mnemonic 08:28, 2004 Jul 5 (UTC)

WikiProject Aircraft

shouldn't this article conform to Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft? mnemonic 08:25, 2004 Jul 5 (UTC)

Yak-41

I removed this section until it can be substantiated:

The JSF (F-35) design is based on the soviet Yakovlev-41 supersonic, VTOL naval fighter-bomber plane. The blueprints were sold by the cash-strapped Yakovlev bureau in the early 90's. The USA refined the plans previously made by Yakovlev for a land-based STOL variant dubbed Yak-141 into the F-35. The soviet's two small vertical lift jet engines were thrown out, while Rolls-Royce developed a new powerplant, based on the soviet swiveling-tailpipe design, which could also spin a large, horizontal central fan for cold lift thrust. Other than that, the Yak-141 shape changed relatively little, mostly to boost stealth capabilities and incorporate hidden weapons bays. Internally a lot has been changed, but structurally and with regards to electronics, the plane was essentially redesigned. -Joseph (Talk) 19:53, 2004 Sep 27 (UTC)

The above indeed is inaccurate. It should say that Yak-141 inspired the F-35, since they are two completely different aircrafts. I found something on the JSF official website:

The exhaust from the engine flows through the 3 Bearing Swivel Nozzle (3BSN). The 3BSN nozzle, developed by Rolls-Royce, was patterned along the lines of the exhaust system on the Yakovlev Yak-141 STOVL prototype that flew at the 1992 Farnborough air show. A US Navy program also developed swivel nozzles in the late 1960's and was proposed for a supersonic STOVL design by Convair (one of the Lockheed Martin heritage companies) in the early 1970's. (JSF Concept (http://www.jsf.mil/Concepts/Con_F35_Tech.htm)) Jigen III

Australian JSF vs. F/A-22

I reverted the commentary on American unwillingness to sell the F/A-22 to Australia because it doesn't fit with reports on the issue. In Houston's speech justifying the JSF purchase, nowhere does he say that the US wouldn't sell Raptors to us if we were prepared to fork out the case. Greg Sheridan has also said in The Australian (can't stand the bloke, but he seems to be reasonably well-briefed on such things) that the US Government has said we can have Raptors if we are prepared to fork out for them. Historically, the Americans have been perfectly willing to sell their hot hardware to us.

So why would they not be prepared to sell us the Raptor but not the full-whack JSF? The argument is somewhat more subtle than what appeared in the previous edit. The JSF is going to be fairly widely exported, to countries that are less trusted than Australia to not pass the technology on to competitors with their own aircraft industry. However, it will be rather politically difficult for the US to allow some partners in the project better aircraft than others (to pick a not-so-random example, Turkey might not be happy if Australia was getting the fully-fledged JSF but they weren't). With the Raptor, nobody else is asking for them (amongst other reasons, nobody else can afford the damn things) so the US wouldn't be offending anybody by selling them to Australia. --Robert Merkel 04:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)