Talk:Critical pedagogy

Pretty much all of this page is unencyclopedic, non-NPOV crap - I'd scrap everything except the first para.--XmarkX 18:23, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

And not well written, either. The bulleted lists fit within the NPOV guidelines, however, as they're clearly labeled as examples of possible discussions, not presented as flat editorial. If I were an educator interested in the approach I'd find the second one useful. --Clarknova 04:45, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Comments

Intersting article. It is informally written but I find less of it being POV except the references used. I say this because "Emperor's New Clothes" is a western idiom/allusion & would need further explanation. The instances at the end, although they are interesting, seem oddly placed without a defining header.

I don't mind the informality, unfortunately I think some of the more institutionally leaning folx here will be a bit distraught by it. I would make some adjustments to these items:

make different sections (the changing from teaching examples, to ideological quotes, critiques, and pop-culture references. Without the different sections this appears more like a term paper & less like a Wiki article

replace western idioms/euphamisms or link them to allow a better explanation

Emperor's new cloths

Western culture is doing the sleepwalking

Separate the reality-changing questions from being intertwined in the body.

I'm asking the article's author to parse the article. I'm not very well versed in the subject but I'll consider reformatting it (that's really what it needs, not really a substance-rewrite). --Duemellon 14:38, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'll try and make the changes you suggest when I get a moment. Please feel free to go ahead and reformat it yourself if you'd like. It sounds like you will do it without butchering the tone or content, which I really appreciate. Peace. --User:Juggleandhope 26 Aug 2004

Total Revamp

Bam!!

there u go. Whaddya think? Personally I tried to make the effort to de-Westernize it. I dropped a few examples that seemed tenuously linked. Some of those things that I'm not fully comfortable with are:

• the Bible quote seems to address materialism, not skeptism or counter-domination thought
• Paul Simon's song wasn't about counter-domination. So, out-of-context, the quote fits, but in context it's just a sidenote. Pink Floyd's song, however, is very much relevent to that
• The authors listed were from another site where the original article (before I updated) seems to have been taken (almost word-for-word). I have not really investigated them & am unsure of their relevance.
• the statement that Crit Pedagogy includes elements from fem/marx & such seems a bit more like an unwarranted stretch of the concept. Especially Marxism.

What do you think? What should be added? Help? (I'm lookin right at you Juggleandhope) --Duemellon 19:51, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Critical pedagogy

I attended a symposium this past weekend that had Peter Mclaren as the keynote speaker. His address was about critical pedagogy. Try telling him the marxism/critical pedagogy connection is a stretch- all he talked about was marxism (he ended his speech with "Viva La Revolution!") I can't tell you if I think it's a stretch since I really don't know enough about critical pedagogy to offer an informed opinion, but I can tell you Mclaren seems to observe strong connections between the two.