Talk:Christian views of Jesus
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Notice: This is a daughter article of Jesus Christ - It was taken from the mother page made to alleviate the size of the older article. WhisperToMe 07:19, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)
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Page layout
This page looks as ugly as sin on my screen because the timeline of JC starts just to the left rather than just underneath the initial picture/portrait. This creates a 3 column effect... one column of main text, one column of timeline and one column of great empty white space... all roughly equal in size. Do others have the same problem? Could the fancy HTML code be altered to fill the screen like all other pages. (My screen resolution is 1280x1024) Pete 12:03, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for someone rich to enter the kingdom of Heaven."
I remember reading that this quote contains a translation/transcription error. The original is said to read: "It is easier for a cable to pass through the eye of a needle...", which makes more sense ("cable" is in the nautical sense, i.e., thick rope (no cable TV B.C., right? :-)). Does anybody know anything about this?
- mikkalai 25 Nov 2003
The Theory Of Jesus Christ or "Jesus Christ"
which do you think is a better way to describe this fairy tail character?
- Shut UPPPP!!!!!!!!!!! LIEberal!!!!!!! YOUR JUST PISSED BE DISPROVED YOUR "LAW" of Evolutions!!!!!
See also: and see also; and see also; and so forth...
Moved from Village Pump 28th November 2003
Hmm. I don't honestly know whether to laugh or lament...
Check out this example of a good thing gone horribly wrong. I'm almost tempted to reccomend it stay as is, so we can all point it and say: "Don't do this; they will only laugh at you." -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 08:43, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
- Cimon, I was going to sort them out (or someone else can) ... it a temporary thing (mainly to get them listed ... btw, there was a lot more than that is related; that is the "reduced" list). Sorting them out into '''general''', '''biblical''', etc., ... hopefully sooner than later though it'll get done ... JDR
- Holy.... --Menchi 08:45, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Oh my... I think we need a separate article just for the See Alsos... Dysprosia 08:47, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Most impressive article (and I'm an atheist!) I can't see how this is a good thing gone horribly wrong.. How about a bit of praise for the huge amount of work put into this article? My only criticism is that the gigantic blue list is not much use since it's not in alphabetical order.
- Adrian Pingstone 09:43, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Gonna sort 'em soon [or someone else can. JDR
- Sorted Dysprosia 10:02, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I took out a lot of the duplicates (and List of Latin phrases was in there three times). --Charles A. L. 16:21, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
- Sorted Dysprosia 10:02, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Gonna sort 'em soon [or someone else can. JDR
- The article looks OK, I think what we're saying is that the See also list is way too long. Dysprosia 09:47, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Others
Most of the ones in "Others" have just a Christian connection to Jesus, not direct Jesus-related, e.g., A Plea for Captain John Brown, Midwest Christian Outreach, Revised Standard Version, Tomb, Torah, Veil, Thirteen, Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America, Theology, Seventh-day Adventist Church, The supernatural in monotheistic religions, and of course, there's Superman (it's actually listed there). --Menchi 12:01, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I broadly agree with Adrain Pingstone's sentiments. But along these lines, was it deliberate symbolism or a simple mistake to list sin twice? Pete 12:07, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Shouldn't the See Also material be hived off to another to another article, e.g. List of Christian topics or List of topics related to Jesus, depending on JDRs motives. Then See Also can be reduced to the important articles and the list of ??? : ChrisG 12:30, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I'm in favor of creating List of Christianity-related topics? Someone already started a List of Hinduism-related articles. To me, each of these links suggests at least a few more unlisted articles that are just as relevant, so the list could grow quite large. It seems there may be Jesus/Christian scholars that want to be able to track changes to all of these articles. GUllman 02:00, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
For me; what it comes down to is this: a See also listing should not be a comprehensive listing of backlinks. It just isn't useful. There are plenty enough links in the articles themselves, most of the time. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick 14:58, Nov 20, 2003 (UTC)
- This is way over the top. I'm guessing about 20 might be immediately relevant. Superman has got to go. DJ Clayworth 17:20, 20 Nov 2003 (UTC)
article looks
Personally, I think this article looks great. Not perfect, but in the top 5% of our articles. I hope we don't butcher it too badly (a camel is a horse designed by a committee), or waste too much time that would be far better spent in bringing the other 95% up to this standard. Andrewa 20:41, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)
title itself
Hate to rain on a parade, especially on a subject that raises such strength of feeling with people, but is the title itself not flawed? "Christ" is itself a Greek equivalent for Messiah and thus assumes the thesis under discussion, thereby failing NPOV. Could use just "Jesus" perhaps, most people recognize whom the name refers to. Chris Rodgers 11:59, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I've been meaning to say something about this for some time. I'm thinking that the article Jesus Christ might arguably contain the "Christ" title, because the appellation "Christ" has taken on a life of its own as a name apart from its latin meaning. (Although I think it borders on POV.) But on this page, where the subject of the article is whether Jesus of Nazareth is the Christ, I think we need a title change, perhaps to Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah. COGDEN 05:13, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Use the most common used term for the title? JDR 06:59, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I would go for Jesus as Christ and Messiah here, and Jesus or Jesus of Nazareth for the other article, with Jesus Christ redirecting to that other article. --Henrygb 15:36, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)
See also
- I fail to see how most if not all of these are related to the specific topic of Jesus as Christ and Messiah. At best these could go into a list of Jesus-related topics. -Sean Curtin 22:58, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- You fail to see how most if not all of these are related to the specific topic of Jesus as Christ and Messiah. These are related to Jesus Christ as the Messiah (which was the original title), or, in one form or another, to Jesus Christ.
- Mabey a list of Jesus-related topics could be made ... but since one doesn't exist, lets hold off on removing the list. BTW, a Jesus category would be huge ... this one here is a a parred down list, IIRC.
- JDR
Christology Difficulty
This section will be as hard to write as Christianity because there are so many various christological views.
Christology is important, because Christians who belive in the Trinity . . .
Like I said, hard to write
Nice job, Wesley. If you can flesh it out and make it more substantial, I won't wine about it. I cast my lot with you, if you can bear this cross . . . Ed Poor getting silly, so it's time to sign off.
Christology - Messianic Jews
"A number of early Christians believed that Jesus was not divine, but was simply the human Messiah promised in the Old Testament. The inclusion of the genealogies of Jesus Christ at Matthew 1:1-17 and Luke 3:23-38 are sometimes explained by this belief. An alternative explanation is that they were in opposition to Gnostic Christian doctrines that Jesus Christ only had the illusion of a human body and, thus, no human ancestry at all. This view was opposed by church leaders such as Paul, and eventually came to be held only by small, marginal sects such as the Ebionites and (according to Jerome) the Nazarenes."
I think the last sentence here should relate to the first sentence and not the one it follows (i.e. the Nazarenes and Ebionites believed Jesus was human and not an illusion). Can someone who knows more reorder / rephrase to make things more clear? DopefishJustin 22:44, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)
WikiProject Jesus
In order to try to work out the relationship between all the various pages and hopefully get some consensus, I have opened a WikiProject to centralize discussion and debate. We've got several "conflicted" pages at the moment, and without centralizing discussion, it's going to get very confusing. Please join the project, if you're interested in the topic, and start discussions on the talk page. (We need to create a to-do list, but I think the current state is too conflicted to decide even that.) Mpolo 10:49, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
Christology section
This section should be shortened with the link to the main article at Christology. Any improvements or expansions needed could be made there. Comments? Wesley 20:51, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Seems fine the way it is to me. I don't think there is enough info, or enough seperateness, for a seperate article. CheeseDreams 23:26, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Mormonism
What is this all about?
- In many sects of the Latter Day Saint movement (Mormonism), it is believed that Jesus appeared in the Western Hemisphere after his resurrection and taught some early Americans, whom The Book of Mormon says were of Israelite descent.
In many sects of? Why aren't we simply stating that the Book of Mormon says it? Are we implying that some sects of Mormonism (the Latter Day Saint Movement) don't accept the Book of Mormon? It sounds very double-speakish and confusing. Tom - Talk 07:14, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
Whats with all the "white person" "black person" stuff??!
I happen to be a Christian, and accept the trinitarian view of God.........but whats with all this "three white persons" stuff?? I have no idea (nor do I care!) whether God is White Black Yellow or Sky Blue Pink with Yellow dots on! I think that section is bordering on a NPOV violation, unless you can provide some evidence for what you're saying. 80.177.152.156