Talk:Barry Bonds
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i removed the POV portion:
- "It has been suggested by some observers that Bonds' disdain for his fans, in conjunction with his behavior off the field, has negatively impacted his professional reputation (and, by extension, baseball's). This thesis is arguable, but the fact remains that much less was made of his record-breaking home-run streak than was made of McGwire's, and the 2002 World Series -- in which he was the star -- garnered the worst ratings of any World Series in the history of television."
This needs major work. Kingturtle 01:02 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)
It is a phenomenon that should be discussed though. People are happy about Ruth, and to a somewhat lesser extent, McGwire, but generally seem to be much less happy about Bonds. --Delirium 11:26, Oct 27, 2003 (UTC)
But you have to look at the steroid issue as a major contributor to why people are less happy about Barry Bonds. Although steroids have not been proven to be used by Bonds, there are allegations and these allegations tarnish his baseball reputation. As for Mark McGwire, he is also under scrutiny for the use of steroids and after the March 17th Congressional hearing in which he decided to "not talk about the past" people have also thought less of him. These are the major reasons on why people are less happy with Bonds and McGwire rather than Babe Ruth.J8J3B
latest on steroids....
SF Chronicle (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/03/02/MNGNM5C3AV1.DTL) ....if someone wants to incorporate it into this article. Kingturtle 02:06, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
i find it interesting
i find it interesting that there are people calling for Bonds to be stripped of his awards, but none of those people are calling for Ken Caminiti to be stripped of his MVP. Kingturtle 17:46, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- And no one's asking for players who took greenies in the 1960s to be kicked out of the game.
- Or the HoF pitchers who threw shine balls, spit balls and scuff balls.
- Or for Cal Ripken's streak to bear an asterisk because he had access to cortisone shots and Lou Gehrig didn't, or the pitchers who had previously-career-ending injuries repaired with Tommy John surgery to have their statistics capped at the point where they were injured...
- Moral : If you're a superstar athlete, don't be a curmudgeonly, black, superstar athlete. -- GWO
- If there is nothing wrong with Bonds taking steroids, why doesn't he admit he has??
- It is a more complicated issue than you are making it out to be. First of all, I have never heard anyone call for that. I have only heard calls for "asterisks", which is not new at all, see Maris (and even Ichiro, more recently). That being said, possibly the reason is that Caminiti is dead. Taking an award from a dead man would not look good for MLB. Also, remember that steroids, at that point in time, were NOT illegal in terms of MLB. Everyone forgets that. So really, you could argue much better that spitballer's stats/awards should be astrascized (?) than Bonds', Giambi's, Caminiti's, etc. Zellin 20:30, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)