Talk:Alternative hip hop
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Am I hopelessly out of the loop, or is this article utterly incorrect? I would not consider anyone listed "alternative" in any way, and I've always thought the term referred to independent rappers, rappers who sound drastically different from the mainstream and don't have much or any pop success. About the most mainstream rappers I've ever heard described as alternative is A Tribe Called Quest, or maybe The Fugees and Lauryn Hill. If any sound can be commonly considered alternative rap, it's the jazz-based rap of De La Soul and Guru. Tokerboy 04:04 Jan 6, 2003 (UTC)
- Wow. I wouldn't call any of those alternative. And what does the author mean by "Alternative rap is different in other types of rap usually because it mixes two or more distinct styles to make one. Alternative rappers usually also write and play other types of music too"? Given the wide variety of sources in samples, wouldn't that mean nearly all rap is alternative? Should we add Cypress Hill for their Dusty Springfield sample on "Hits from the Bong"? Or is the author even talking about musical genres? What does this mean? I'm lost. --KQ 04:15 Jan 6, 2003 (UTC)
- Jzcool provided the definition; judging by his other contributions, I'd have no remorse whatsoever in nuking the article. It's probably a poor attempt at a definition made completely without consulting authoritative sources. --KQ
- Sounds like a plan Tokerboy
- I found this at allmusic.com: "Alternative Rap refers to hip-hop groups that refuse to conform to any of the traditional stereotypes of rap, such as gangsta, funk, bass, hardcore, and party rap. Instead, they blur genres, drawing equally from funk and pop/rock, as well as jazz, soul, reggae, and even folk." That sounds ok at first, except it's a defined by what it's not, which I don't particularly like. What do you think? Their definition and yours have some overlap, but sites I'm finding aren't in agreement about how to define it. --KQ
- Sounds like a plan Tokerboy
This is an example of why I don't particularly trust allmusic. I looked at it too, but it doesn't meet what I've ever heard described as alternative rap. Most especially, Kid Rock (I'm a fan too) has never been described as alternative in any source I've seen. Really, I think the politically and socially conscious lyrics are what defines the genre. The term almost always refers to Mos Def and his ilk, from what I've seen. Tokerboy 04:50 Jan 6, 2003 (UTC)
- The sites I'm finding which agree with allmusic, agree with allmusic completely--that is, they plagiarized. I can't vouch for their definition, because I've just always listened to various hip hop acts without knowing what genre they were, just whether I liked it or not. Though I can see how knowing genres would have led me away from Cypress to Tribe a lot sooner. ^_^ --KQ
This article is a #3 hit on google, so I'm going to spend some time on it and articles linked from it. A great article here would do wonders to Wikipedia's credibility, since it's a kinda underground phenomenon that has recently been getting much more mainstream. Tuf-Kat
It seems to be that Underground hip hop and Alternative hip hop are the same thing, so I made the stub redirect to the full article. If anyone is offended, just revert it and take my apology in advance. Rico 10:05, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)