Talk:Achaeans
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Hmmmmm. "The Achaeans were the people of ancient Greece." the people is too narrow when you have Mycenaeans and Dorians, both of whom were Greek-speakers, jostling the Achaeans on either chronological side. --MichaelTinkler.
Everything I have seen equates the Mycenaeans and Achaeans as one and the same people. We sure the Achaeans were late invaders? Btw, Greek civilization had already fallen apart by the time the Dorians showed up.
Well, something happened to the Mycenaeans, and some people still believe in invaders. I don't particularly, myself. --MichaelTinkler.
Right, but those people who believe in invaders believe in Dorian invaders, not Achaean invaders. The usual date for the Achaean migration is around 1600-1500 BC, before the Mycenaean city centres formed. I really think the page is wrong to draw the distinction it does, and will change it with your approval.
- This is wikipedia! Just change it. I agree, anyway. --MichaelTinkler
Using the otherwise unknown form "Achae" over "Achaeans" is just plain silly. Reverting. -- llywrch 05:35 6 Jul 2003 (UTC)
18th century Achaeans
"Achaeans" is not the name given to any archaeologically identifyable culture. The recent info added about "18th century Achaeans" belongs either under "Mycenaean Civilization" or under "Proto-Greeks" (the latter are estimated to have reached Greece between 2500 and 2000 BC). Before the discovery of the "Ahhiyawa" texts, Achaeans was the collective name for the Greeks in Homer. If we identify them with the Ahhiyawa, they become a historical people, the mycenaean Greeks of the 13th century. This article should exclusively deal with (a) the homeric Achaeans and (b) the Ahhiyawa references. We have no way to determine whether the Achaeans already were a separate tribe among the immigrating proto-greeks. There are a series of good articles at Aegean Civilization. We just need to link to these, and History of Mycenaean Greece, no need to summarize that information here. dab 10:40, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
