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1 reply to your query 2 Ward Churchill 3 Arbitration Committee ruling 4 Thought you might be interested

reply to your query

I have responded on User talk:Fred Bauder. -- Viajero 10:59, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I too, have responded on User talk:Fred Bauder. Rex071404 ^{216.153.214.94} 13:17, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)</sup>

Was it really necessary to copy all that stuff to the talk page of Ward Churchill? I would have thought that the discussion belonged on Fred's talk page. -- Viajero 13:54, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it was necesary. I want to make sure readers at Talk:Ward_Churchill are fully apprised. Rex071404 ^{216.153.214.94} 13:58, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)</sup>

My comment on Ward Churchill's appearance was based on his resemblance to some of my close relatives (my mother and grandmother) whom I know to be partly Native American. Fred Bauder 15:37, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

It would have been less prone to misinterpretation, had you said that to begin with. Still, you would never say that someone "has a big nose" or "thick lips" and then suggest that they are this or that, would you? Why then try to divine Churchill's geneology from his appearance? And by doing that, aren't you weighing your edits with your personal opinion? And if so, that's truly POV. The public facts do not reasonably support any assertions or suppositions about Churchill actually being a Native American (not in any true sense). That being the case, I frankly am unmoved that you "feel we should take his word for it" based on your personal opinion of his appearance. I think Fred, as an attorney, you ought to be able to see the error of your logic here. Your personal feelings are not one of the public facts which we can rest our editorial standards on. Indeed, we've already established that such methods are not the rule here - as evidenced by the fierce way my personal feelings are scrubbed by others from articles such as John Kerry. Also, as evidenced by the blocking of my edits to Dedham, Massachusetts, it's not enough that an individual editor personally "know" or "feel" something to be true. Rather, it must be backed up by public fact sources that other editors will accept. I have two problems with using your "feelings" as a source: a) feelings are subject to change and therefore are not reliable as an ongoing fact referrence and b) I am repulsed by the notion we ought to judge people by appearance. That said, thanks for answering about Ward Churchill. But, I am still curious, why did you not answer my email? And why do you stand mute on that topic in this reply to me? Rex071404 ^{216.153.214.94} 15:58, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)</sup>

(copied from Talk:Ward_Churchill):

I did say that to begin with and only on the talk page. As to your mail, I do not recall a particular message to me. Fred Bauder 16:09, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Did say what? Rex071404 ^{216.153.214.94} 16:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)</sup>

Ward Churchill

thank you, will revisit it, I think it's best to let his words speak for himself, so you're quite right. Carlshooters 18:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee ruling

The Arbitration Committee has decided on the case against you. As such, official sanction has been given to your self-imposed ban and you and your IP address shall remain blocked until 16:28 15 Oct 2005 (exactly six months after your declaration). Please see the final decision for details. -- Grunt [[European Union|]] 15:53, 2005 Apr 23 (UTC)

Thought you might be interested

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an "undeleted" copy of his "complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: "The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Many of the records contain praise for Kerry's service. For example, the documents quote Kerry's former commanding officers as saying he is "one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is "the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is "highly recommended for promotion." [1] (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/)

Neutrality^talk 01:04, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)