User talk:Ke4roh

Contents

1 Welcome to Wikipedia! 2 Fair use 3 Burj al Arab 4 Ansari X Prize 5 Olympic flame photo 6 Saturn diagram 7 Tower Bridge 8 RFA 9 Captions 10 The photo of Asheville 11 Japanese funeral pictures 12 Rosetta Stone 13 Captions project 14 Caption issues 15 Captions on Opentask 16 Atomic blast 17 Captions Project 18 Rainbow image 19 Comments on captions project 20 Captions on Opentask 21 Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Image:TrangBang.jpg 22 Captions project 23 Captions on Opentask 24 Emacs caption 25 RE: Huntsville, Alabama Vincity? 26 Caption on Exploding whale 27 Airbag caption 28 Adminship, maybe? 29 Article Licensing 30 Tucson, Arizona 31 Regarding Image:STS-1_flight_insignia.png and PNG transparency

Welcome to Wikipedia!

Hello Ke4roh, welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for all your contributions. Here are some useful links in case you haven't already found them:

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If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

—Noldoaran (Talk) 00:12, Dec 12, 2003 (UTC)

Fair use

Thank you for the message about Image:Les Misérables program.jpg. I try give as much information as possible on image description pages. I've added the fair use message. Since this is a fairly low quality (and small) scan, I think it should be okay. --Minesweeper 12:48, Feb 17, 2004 (UTC)

Burj al Arab

We indeed have permission to use both photographs on the Dubai article. WhisperToMe 02:55, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Ansari X Prize

Duly moved, per request. Since it was just a plain redirect, you or anyone else could have taken care of it with the "move" command -- although I quite understand that you were leery if you've never done that kind of stuff before. Done, anyway. 73s, –Hajor 23:42, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I tried and got an oblique error message (which I didn't write down, of course). Likewise when I tried to move Estee Lauder, Inc. back to Estee Lauder some months ago, but everyone is happy with that redirect now. Thanks! -- ke4roh 23:50, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Olympic flame photo

Thanks for the inquiry about details for Image:Olympic flame.jpg. I've added the name of the specific Cincinnati suburb, North College Hill, since there's an article for it, and added the date, but I only remember that the runner's name was John.

I took the photo, so if I can tell you anything else, please let me know. Rdikeman 14:58, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)

Saturn diagram

I disagree. Those were original NASA diagrams from the time of the moon landing or before. I believe leaving them as they were gives a feeling of the time. Rusty 01:04, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The cleaned up drawings do look better. Linking to the original is also a very good idea. I like it. Carry on. :-) Rusty 14:02, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Tower Bridge

Re: your comments on Image:Fog-towerbridge.700px.jpg. I've added that the photograph was taken looking south across Tower Bridge. It must have been at about 8pm, roughly. I'd finished work at 6pm, and because the weather was so atmospheric, went for a walk around the city on my way up to a party in Islington.

As for where the people were going, I really don't know. I seem to recall that most of the people out that night were tourists... but where they were planning to see in the New Year, I can't guess. London doesn't really have a formal New Year celebration - people often congregate in Trafalgar Square, but the Police don't much like it, and there's nothing to see there (though if you're in the centre of the square, you can just about see the Clock Tower that contains Big Ben). - MykReeve 16:56, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

RFA

Hi, i've nominated you for an admin, you can accept it by going to Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship --GeneralPatton 22:21, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, GeneralPatton, for your nomination. I'm honored to be nominated for adminship, though I think I'll have to agree with blankfaze's objection that I haven't been here quite long enough. So far, the only admin thing I've wanted to do is rename pages — I'm already on the lookout for vandalism that I can fix and image copyright problems. I'll be quite happy tinkering with captions and space articles for the next few months, and perhaps in December we can revisit the admin question. Again, many thanks. -- ke4roh 02:49, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

Then, I look forward to nominating you again in a couple of months. I hope you shall carry on with your great editorial work.--GeneralPatton 13:58, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hi Ke4roh, Are you formally withdrawing your nomination for now? I don't want to remove it unless you explicitely are. Thanks, -- Cecropia | Talk 15:33, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes. I removed it. Thanks for asking! -- ke4roh 16:56, Jul 11, 2004 (UTC)

• Howdy. blankfaze here. I don't want you to get discouraged because of my lack of support. A month or two and 750-1000 more edits and I'd very likely support you. Keep up your very good work.  :-) blankfaze | (беседа!) 19:08, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'm not discouraged at all, just as busy as I can be (and then some) without extra powers and responsibilities, plus, I can see your argument and wouldn't want to be too bold with admin powers - I'm already rocking the boat enough with Wikipedia:Captions. (Hey - if you want to jump on that bandwagon, you're welcome! I'm planning to write up a Wiki project page for it and recruit people to write captions - but I have to stop writing captions for articles visible from the front page long enough to write it!) -- ke4roh 03:15, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

Good. Keep up the good contributing. blankfaze | (беседа!) 03:18, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Captions

I replied to your comment on my talk page. Brian Kendig 04:02, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The photo of Asheville

(re: Asheville Photo) Hey man.  :) I went back to the archives and found that it was taken January 8th, 2003 at 11:39 am, which i've updated the photo info for. Hope this helps! zen 02:43, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Japanese funeral pictures

Hi. I added some more comments on the image pages. However, I am not japanese and can't read japanese, so i couldn't answer all of your questions. Hope the little info helps. Happy editing -- Chris 73 | Talk 13:18, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Rosetta Stone

Nice job on the re-arrangement of the Rosetta Stone page. I stumbled across it and had to add some more history, you cleaned up the page. Wizzy 17:12, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Captions project

I've started a new project Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing Captions, and I invite comment on it before linking to it from the usual places. -- ke4roh 05:31, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

It is a great idea, I’d be happy to support it. --GeneralPatton 05:36, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• A fine endeavour, my friend. I'm surprised we don't have something like that already. Glad to see you being bold and leading the charge. I think it's a great project and I might just join in myself sometime... if I ever have the time :-/... blankfaze | (беседа!) 21:39, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• • I think Caption Project is a good idea and would be happy to join the effort.

I see you are also a member of the WikiProject Space Missions. Is that still an active project? I've been trying to update various space missions to reflect the project recommendations. If it is still active, I would like to join this project, also. Rusty 03:12, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Certainly! Just sign your name on the list of participants at Wikipedia:WikiProject Space Missions and you're in. Then you can update that page to help track what needs help. -- ke4roh 04:16, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

Caption issues

I had a look at the project page - good stuff. I'll keep an eye out for poorly-written captions and fix them as I edit articles. I do want to raise a couple of warning flags, however:

• Sometimes in turning a caption into a sentence, you introduce subtle meanings which weren't originally intended and which might not be correct. For example: "Stormtroopers on parade near X during Y" refers to the photo of that action, while "Stormtroopers parade near X during Y." has become an assertion, since the verb becomes an intransitive. In this particular example your assertion happens to be correct, but if the parading stormtroopers were not a recurring event, your edit would have introduced an inaccuracy. Another (hypothetical) example might be changing "Bob Hope appearing at the Academy Awards" to "Bob Hope appears at the Academy Awards" which can be misinterpreted as an untrue statement (he's no longer alive, so he doesn't still appear there).

• Some of the captions you've added, though friendly, sound a little like editorializing. For example, saying (in Epcot) that the giant golfball "welcomes" visitors, and (in Magic Kingdom) that the statues "greet" guests - neither technically true because they're inanimate objects. Welcoming is an active verb, so I was concerned that people might think the giant golfball somehow takes an active role in welcoming people in (no, it just sits there).

• Also, some of your captions make points which I feel would better have been made in the article itself. For example, in Wind turbine: Bigger is better. Construction and maintenance costs are similar for large and small turbines, so utility companies build the largest feasable turbines. That sentence doesn't describe the picture at all, and "bigger is better" sounds like an oversimplification of a more complex issue. Your caption on a line graph in Christianity is a nice succinct point which I feel belongs in the article itself.

I guess my own opinion is that captions should succinctly describe the images to which they're attached, and leave everything else to the article itself. I do approve of your effort to make the captions more detailed and put them into full sentences, and I'll help in that effort. Please don't be discouraged by my suggestions, I think you've got a terrific effort going in a great direction - just, don't go overboard! - Brian Kendig 15:58, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your support and comments! It looks like you've seen the worst of my captions — especially since I haven't been to Disney World in 10 years (I'll be there in 2 weeks, though!).

About things that belong in the article, we went 'round and 'round on Heavy metal umlaut about the Spinal Tap caption when I first moved the entire description from the article to the caption - not a good idea, then I kept trying to add something informative to the caption not in the article, and it kept finding its way back into the text. We decided that the caption shouldn't bring new information except in flushing out context for the picture, but it should lead the reader to the article. (The Spinal Tap picture doesn't lend itself to a good caption.) There is a bit in Wind turbine about the benefits of larger turbines (and limits thereto) which inspired my simplification special for the caption. I didn't read through the Christianity article to see if it contains that bit of information I contributed, though the ichthys article does include the details.

I don't worry too much about active verbs for inanimate objects - gargoyles guard, statues watch and greet, and buildings shelter. I'd think the special case of Disney Magic introduces some potential for confusion. -- ke4roh 16:38, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Ke4roh, you've made errors, of grammar and of fact, in editing a few captions. Please be more careful. 81.168.80.170 21:31, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm sorry about that. Yes, mistakes happen, especially when I tread into areas with which I am less familiar and try to craft a meaningful active caption where there was nothing. (It's worse with time pressures.) In fact, it was that process that started the now resolved row on Twelfth Amendment to the United States Constitution, though I'm happy to report that my errors didn't last long and the captions look great now. -- ke4roh 22:41, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

Hi Ke4roh, thanks for your comment on my talk page. A number of interesting points were raised above. Maybe we should move some of these discussions to the project talk page? Cheers, Deepak 16:17, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Captions on Opentask

Hello. I just wanna say that adding the "Captions" line on "Opentask" was a great idea.
Cheers !  :-)
-- PFHLai 05:43, 2004 Jul 19 (UTC)

Atomic blast

Hi, I could not find the picture either :-(

My guess is that they have restructured their web site, and removed weapons-related issues. I could only find a black and white image of a bomb blast. As the source for that image appears to be gone, I'll check out DOD for a replacement. --Magnus Manske 09:38, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

Update: I found "our" blast image here (http://whyfiles.org/167new_nukes/4.html). Maybe they know the original source... --Magnus Manske 09:51, Jul 19, 2004 (UTC)

Captions Project

Thank you for welcoming me to the Captions Project. After some reflection, it appears that complete sentences are in many (or even most) cases worthwhile. -- Emsworth 15:21, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Rainbow image

I'm sorry, I know nothing about the image except that I originally found it on Wikipedia, and renamed it so as to avoid a clash with an image that I uploaded. It was originally titled: Rainbow.jpg, and was uploaded by some anonymous user on 20 July, 2002. On 19 January I uploaded a similarly-named file, unaware that it overwrote this one, and when I discovered that, I renamed it Rainbow1.jpb. As I am not the one who originally uploaded it, I cannot vouch for its PD-status. There is no information available with it, so I presume it to be PD. I'm sorry I can't give you any more help than that.David Cannon 01:22, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Comments on captions project

Hi, Noldoaran, thanks for your welcome some months back - the links have been useful. I thought I might ask you for feedback on Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing Captions before I link to it from the usual places. I'd certainly appreciate your comments, and I'd be honored to have you as a participant if you're willing. Thanks for looking! -- ke4roh 05:26, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)

Very well done! I would be honored to be a participant. I know of some images that need better captions (a few of which are my own). —Noldoaran (Talk) 16:03, Jul 20, 2004 (UTC)

(BTW, I like to repost the comment I was repling to so people don't have to jump between talk pages to follow the conversation)

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Thanks for your kind words about my caption on the Palm Sunday Tornado Outbreak. I'm not going to formally join the Wikiproject - I've already got too much to do! - but will be keeping an eye out and may dip into the project page from time to time to see what needs to be done. On that note, would you mind having a look at my caption for Rock, Paper, Scissors? I've marked it as done but now I'm not sure it's all that great. -- ALargeElk | Talk 10:26, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Captions on Opentask

Hi, I have restocked the standbys for Captions on Template:Opentask. My selections were random. Please feel free to re-stock to serve your Wikiproject's needs. Thanks. -- PFHLai 02:28, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)

Thanks! I pulled some off the list since they didn't have pictures or didn't need much help (in which case I just fixed them up as long as I was there). I don't suppose there's much use in keeping a long (>5) list of articles in the queue because the project is sufficiently dynamic and we only knock off one or two a week from opentask, anyway. -- ke4roh 03:32, Aug 6, 2004 (UTC)

Actually, there is a reason to have a long list. I keep many standby items of various lengths (number of letters). With different replacements available, it's easier to keep the length of each line on the Template:Opentask more or less the same [for esthetics reason ....] :-)

I also try to have topics from different fields of study active at the same time.

-- PFHLai 10:10, 2004 Aug 6 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Image:TrangBang.jpg

Please go here: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Image:TrangBang.jpg and add a comment if you could. I'm trying to get this out of wikipedia ASAP, and your comments would help. — マイケル ₪ 17:52, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC)

Captions project

Thanks for the heads-up about Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing Captions. I'll certainly give due consideration to the advice set out on those pages when captioning photos — and then maybe if I get into the swing of the thing I'll formally sign up. Here's (http://www.theslot.com/captions.html) an URL that you might find of use (largely oriented towards the newspaper industry, but there's some rescuable info there). Re your absence from Current events: hadn't noticed, I was away for most of last month (but Current events is def. a good place to take a break from if you don't want the stressometer rising too high). Got a heck of a Watchlist to work my way through... Best, –Hajor 03:14, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Captions on Opentask

Hi Ke4roh,

Many items on the Captions line at Template:Opentask have been there for many days already. I don't know which ones are done to your satisfaction, which ones need more help, etc. Shall I "refresh" the line ?

-- PFHLai 15:09, 2004 Aug 20 (UTC)

There's no magic to it. Just check if the captions are full sentences. If not, they need work. Only one of the articles (Foundation Series) had full-sentence captions, so I replaced it with another.

I wonder if we aren't getting more captioning activity from opentask because people think "1965 Ford Mustang" is a grand caption beneath a car of that type. Though if they read Wikipedia:Captions, they'll get ideas for more. Thoughts? -- ke4roh 17:06, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't much captioning activity from the Opentask. Perhaps it's the topics. I can refresh the line every now and then, and put in different topics taken from the list on your WikiProject page. Hope this helps. -- PFHLai 17:49, 2004 Aug 20 (UTC)

I think you are right, people think captions should be id tags. I don't think the Wikipedia:Captions page is going to change their mind, as written. What really drives home what good captions do is Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing Captions#Before and After. Perhaps this section should be moved to, or referenced from, the Wikipedia:Captions page. --Kop 21:05, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Emacs caption

Hi,

I saw you took emacs off the Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing Captions list because you'd seen a caption the day before. I had just put emacs back on the list because I wrote the caption but it had since gotten moved into the article body. At least I think that's the order of events. Would you please take a look (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Emacs&diff=5065860&oldid=5037304) at the caption and re-do it if you think appropriate? I don't see anything wrong with leaving the text in the article body as well, but I'll leave that to you too. Thanks. --Kop 20:40, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I had a similar experience with heavy metal umlaut trying to caption the Spinal Tap logo picture. I'd put a bit of information in it and someone would move that information off to the article replacing the caption with something totally lame like "Spinal Tap" (which was obvious to all sighted people). I put a shorter version of your caption on Emacs just now. Hopefully something like it will stick. -- ke4roh 02:15, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks good. I just corrected it to be more in line with typical computer jargonese.--Kop 02:27, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

On another note, I tried tackling the Linux caption and got reverted there too, in the time it took for me to edit the Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing Captions page, which I have not yet reverted. I'd appreate it if you took a look and tried to salvage my caption with some editing. --Kop 02:27, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I've tried the Linux Tux caption again after tightening up the language considerably. We'll see if it sticks this time. (It urks me a bit that Darrien tagged the revert as minor, and that his replacement was not a complete sentence. Oh well. Meanwhile, is it good wikipedia ettiquite to notify a user's talk page when you reply to one of his comments on your talk page? I guess the alternative is to expect the original poster to add the page to his watch list. Any way to tell if your talk page is on somebody's else's watch list?)--Kop 08:00, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Whenever I revert or make some other change that someone might be irked by, I try to explain it on the talk page for the article. That way, if we need to, we can have a conversation about it there. Otherwise, it makes my change that much more likely to stick because I've put my reasoning in writing.

It seems like you've got the system down. AFAIK, there's no way to see what's on someone else's watch list. -- ke4roh 11:34, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

Well well. Just to keep you up-to-date the Linux caption got reverted back to a label with the comment that "information should not be in captions". So, I questioned this policy on the the user's talk page citing Wikipedia:Captions, rather than on the Linux talk page as it seems to be an issue with this one person. We'll see where it goes. I guess if it goes nowhere I'll take it to the Linux talk page. --Kop 14:46, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. You're doing just fine. It's not uncommon for people to think "Tux" is a suitable caption for a penguin picture, though my experience is that a gentle introduction to Wikipedia:Captions and a discussion of the merits of a detailed caption as opposed to a short one will clear things up. I put your caption back (as modified), though I might have also mentioned why on the talk page for the article (thereby recruiting more folks to the captions project). By the way, you should certainly sign up as a participant of Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing Captions! There's a whole list of articles to check on there. -- ke4roh 16:04, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

I just updated Wikipedia_talk:Captions#Short captions with some more info about why to write full sentences and a reference to a previous conversation similar to the Linux captioning conversation. -- ke4roh 19:28, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)

My logic goes like:

• If the caption contains no additional information, nothing that's not obvious to anybody from the image, it shouldn't be there.
• If the caption merely names the image subject then it is obvious and boring to those who recognize the image. To those who don't recoginse the image or are unfamiliar with the article's subject such captions are:
  • virtually ignorable, when the object in the image is the subject of the article (e.g. "Freud" under picture of Freud in Freud article)
  • uninteresting minutia when the image subject is an example of a general class of things (e.g. "1965 Ford Mustang" under picutre of car in car article)
  • mysterious and confusing when the article is about something abstract that cannot be depicted (e.g. "Periodic Table of Elements" under table in atom theory article)
• So, the image caption should do more than label, it should be interesting, or make the article subject interesting. It should be a single thought, so as to be short. This means one complete sentence (by definition). However, writing sentences is hard so it's ok to punt and overflow your thought into more than one sentence to be collapsed later.

Which argument directly leads to these guidelines:

• When the image depicts the subject of the article (headshots, etc.) write an interesting thought about the subject.
• When the image depicts an example write a thought about what makes the example a good one.
• When the image instructs or illistrates, point out an instruction or illistruation that is non-obvious to the uninformed reader
• When the article is about something abstract that cannot be depicted, point out a connection between the image and the article that an uninformed reader would not otherwise know

In all cases you need not assume that the reader has read the article, in fact you may assume he has not.

(I'm not much for signing up for things, it was a strech to get a Wikipedia account. Captioning attracts as it's a, in theory, small quick task.)

--Kop 16:01, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Looks like a pretty good summary. We can put that verbatim in Wikipedia_talk:Captions and refactor it into Wikipedia:Captions if there's a good place for it. I'm not so set on the idea of one sentence because two or even three might make a superb caption if other conditions are met. Be sure to take a look at Wikipedia:Captions#Criteria for a good caption. -- ke4roh 23:27, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)

Put on Wikipedia_talk:Captions. --Kop 08:31, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Please take a look at User talk:Darrien#Linux caption, information in captions. An interesting point has come up regards image descriptions, captions, and alternative text that Wikipedia:WikiProject Writing Captions should be aware of. (Sorry about all the dreck.) --Kop 08:31, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

RE: Huntsville, Alabama Vincity?

Yes I did mean "vincinty". User:Patricknoddy User talk:Patricknoddy 16:33 August 23, MMIV (EDT)

Caption on Exploding whale

I've restored your caption, but I don't like it because it's not direct enough. Basically, I changed it to my caption because it packs in more information, and still leads the reader into the story. Incidently, I couldn't work out who'd commented on my page because you didn't sign your comment - I had to go to the history to work this out. Signing who you are would be appreciated in future. - Ta bu shi da yu 10:57, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Airbag caption

Have a look at User talk:Arpingstone please - Adrian Pingstone 19:26, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Adminship, maybe?

I'd like to offer to nominate you for adminship, if you want it and would accept. I think you've come a long ways since that last nomination of yours, and I think you'd make a good candidate. [[User:Blankfaze|]] 22:10, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, and I'm flattered, though I think I'll have to decline as two months (!) have elapsed until I noticed your message since I've been busy with school and work. I'll be around, and if I find myself contributing regularly again, I might be able to sign up. -- ke4roh 01:20, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new)| talk)

Tucson, Arizona

The talk pages or other sources indicate you have in the past participated in discussions regarding whether to put a Native American name translation in the introductory sentence of articles on Arizona cities. We are currently having a vote on this issue at Talk:Tucson, Arizona#VOTE HERE. Please come by and weigh in. Thanks. --Gary D 00:48, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

Regarding Image:STS-1_flight_insignia.png and PNG transparency

Hi, I saw the image on the front page, and read your comments. Internet Explorer can show PNG transparency, but won't do it as other browsers do. So don't worry about fixing it for IE.

I would keep it as it is, i.e., just make sure it looks right on Moz/Konqueror, and either Microsoft will change IE7 to support png transparency in a 'normal' way, or, I guess, the guys who write MediaWiki will write a hack some time in the future. PNG is the best format for those smoothe edges.

Just my opinion and advice. JamesHoadley 06:51, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Thanks! -- ke4roh 13:07, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

Template:Idw Zscout370 (Sound Off) 02:54, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks to a search I did, there is another version of the Cary flag: Image:Cary,_North_Carolina_flag.png. This image is used on the Cary article. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 01:21, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)