User talk:Henrygb

Draperstown

Apologies for that slip. Bah! I knew I would make it on one of the pages (going from editing hundreds of RoI town articles to some NI ones!). Quite a serious mistake to make! Thanks for fixing it! zoney ♣ talk 11:12, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Football World Cup 2006 - North, Central American and Caribbean Qualification Groups

Hi there - noted your comment on this page - I really dont think it's matter of merging this with the main front page ; the main World Cup 2006 page should be reserved for the Finals. I reckon the current Football World Cup 2006 page just needs to be tidied up to reflect the fact that I have put up the match lists for all the qualifying confederations - I'll be in a position to do it in the next day or so. -- Zaphod Beeblebrox 15:32, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Vedic Mathematics

Hello Henry, I see that you are the source of misinformation in this section. You should not believe everything you read on the internet as their are strong political reason for some to descredit every Indian accomplishent as a form of "Hindu Nationalism."

Not all Vedic and Sanskrit literature is of a theistic nature. The reason for this fallacy is that the interest of westerners towards an "exotic" culture has always been towards the "spiritual" and the "occult." This ignores a large part of ancient Indian history.

What many have failed to notice is that mathematics played a large part in the ancient Indian culture. Panini's Sanskrit grammar texts are based on the principles of algebra and what we would today call semiotics. Aryabatta and Charvaka were examples of two ancient philosophers who emphasised that this material world is the only world and that we should only believe that which we can observe and analyze. A term given to this thought is called Lokayatra or "layman" school which is entirely materialistic.

Mathematical formulas are in the Vedas for the building of architecture and the designing of Yantras which are very complex. The verses are also mathematical based so they can be memorized. A logic system called Nyaya - literaly "not this" - encourages doubt and skeptism. It is an analyitic system based on logic, proof and observation in much the same way as the scientific method is in the west.

Vedic mathematics is quite well known many south Indians of the previous generation as they had a much more complete text of the Arthaveda in Tamil. Written Tamil carved into wood slabs is much older than written Sanskrit texts though the later is usually credited as the source. This is where much of what is called Vedic mathematics originated from.

It has been questioned if the Arthaveda - along with maybe 11 other lesser known Vedas - are actually part of the original Vedas. This is mostly due to the translations into local dialects being the only known or existing source, yet this does not question the age in which these works were made nor that they were indegous to India as they all were.

Thank you for pointing out the POV edits to Vedic mathematics [6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Vedic_mathematics&diff=6992548&oldid=6960277). I have reverted it. The issue is whether the following questions are legitimate for the article:

1. Did Shri Bharati Krishna Tirthaji state he based "Vedic mathematics" on an appendix of Atharvaveda, rather than Atharvaveda itself?
2. Does this appendix exist now or did he lose it?
3. Is there any evidence that this appendix existed before the 20th century?
4. Are the contents of "Vedic mathematics" consistent with the known mathematics of ancient India?
5. Are the contents of "Vedic mathematics" consistent with "Vedic science", i.e. are they a philosophy or are they a set of mental arithmetic shortcuts which work in a few cases?
6. Is "Vedic mathematics" being promoted by those often described as "Hindu nationalists"?
7. Are there serious critics of "Vedic mathematics", and if so, should they be mentioned in the article?

--Henrygb 22:29, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I would sign up except that I have a fear that this can turn out to be a time drain on my allready busy life. But one fallacy has all ready put your article under suspect and that is the questioning of decimal fractions.

I should know this because I studied some of the passages in the Vedas concerning architecture. The western method of deviding a circle is in degrees where 360 measures the full continuum. This was derived from the ancient Greeks. India had an independent method of measuring a circle which was to have the full continuum measure 1. This meant that the angles would be broken into decimal fractions as apposed to degrees. It was introduced into modern mathematics in the west as radions and is not widely used. The division of circles and angles was very important in the designing of yantras and the building of architecture for the ancient Hindus. So to say that the decimal system did not exist in Indian mathematics already discredits your article by showing that a thorough and rigorous attitude has not been used even in your elementary research that would give you the authority to write on this topic.

Those of my comments you object to have been quotes of critics. You seem to be saying that ancient Indian mathematicians measured angles as a fraction of a circle. That implies neither radians nor decimal fractions. If you look at the article on Decimal#Decimal_writers, you will see that it says

• "c. 598–670 Brahmagupta – decimal integers, negative integers, and zero"
• "c. 920–980 Abu'l Hasan Ahmad ibn Ibrahim Al-Uqlidisi – first direct treatment of decimal fractions"

So to be clear, this is not an attempt to put European mathematics first. Are you saying that this is wrong and that the Vedas, more than a thousand years before the latter of these dates, used decimal fractions directly? That would be news indeed and well worth clarifying. "Vedic mathematics" does deal with decimal fractions directly: see Vedic_mathematics#Method_1:_using_multiplications for an example. --Henrygb 23:48, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

An inequality on location and scale parameters

Hello. In consequence of your editing, the "displayed" TeX is no longer indented (as by a colon, as follows):

<math>\int_{-\infty}^\infty 1\,dx<math>

<math>\int_{-\infty}^\infty 1\,dx<math>

Also, the two lines are closer together than they would be if separated by a blank line, as above. I am not adept with tables, or I would have adjusted these matters. Can you help? Thanks. Michael Hardy 22:09, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The Humungous Image Tagging Project

Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Thanks for the invitation, but as you will see above on the Canada goose image section above, I think the project may be a diversion. --Henrygb 12:28, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man ^{(comment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new)) (talk)}[[]] 15:07, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Yet another opinion on math typesetting style

In non-TeX mathematical notation, variables should be italicized but parentheses and digits should not. Also, some spacing sometimes helps legibility.

The above is the summary to my recent edit to devil's staircase. Somewhere there's some sort of style manual on math notation style on Wikipedia; I'll look around. Michael Hardy 22:55, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Michael, I know you mean well, but when I wrote f(x) rather than f(x) I was copying the existing article; the difference is minimal. The article was using the former style a year ago when you last changed edited it three times. I usually don't mind when you change formatting, but with respect I am afraid that sometimes I find your preaching a little grating. --Henrygb 23:11, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Unverified image

Thanks for uploading the image

• Image:Kashmir.png

I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Kbh3rd&action=edit) where you got the image and I'll tag it for you. Thanks, Kbh3rd 01:46, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

It was self-drawn based on a number of sources. But as a general issue, see my comment above on the Canada Goose image. --Henrygb 22:37, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

History of France

Why did you change the articles relating to the French Third Republic. It is an extremely nineteenth century notion to divide a nation's history by what government is in place, and any modern history text rejects this view. - SimonP 22:30, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

I don't see a logical difference between a historical division called French Third Republic and one called France under the Third Republic or indeed France in the last quarter of the nineteenth century and the first half of the twentieth century. I had been confused when reading Second French Empire and earlier articles listed in Template:History of France not be taken to French Third Republic so I merged the articles. --Henrygb 22:40, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Admin nomination

Hello. You don't seem to be an administrator but I think you ought to be. I will nominate you if you wish. You may reply here or on my talk page as you like. Regards & happy editing, Wile E. Heresiarch 15:47, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Terrific. I have posted your nomination. Please accept at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Henrygb. I'm sure you will be a very capable adminstrator. I would like for you to have administrator privileges so that you can use them when you judge the situation calls for it. Good luck on the vote. Wile E. Heresiarch 06:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Image:Floor.png

Hi, I'd like to upload Image:Floor.png to commons: for use in other Wikimedia projects. The license tag says GFDL but there's no info on the author. Is it yours? --Glimz 21:28, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)

Yes - I drew it. In fact the history of the article [7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Floor_function&action=history) says so for 19 Mar 2004 --Henrygb 23:26, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ogmore River

I have posted the following against the Ogmore River article. As you started this one off I thought it prudent to also post this here. Would welcome your input
Ogmore River v. River Ogmore

All the other Rivers in Wales are designated by River Name. I would suggest that this Article by moved to River Ogmore and Ogmore River be used as the redirect. Is thatOK ?
Velela 22:58, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I have no objection - I was probably following an existing red link. But I note that "Ogmore River" (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Ogmore+River%22+-wikipedia) is marginally more common on Google than "River Ogmore" (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22River+Ogmore%22+-wikipedia). --Henrygb 23:48, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Vote on Talk:Gdansk/Vote

Hi. Since you have edited on pages with disputes about the names of Polish/German locations, I would invite you to vote on Talk:Gdansk/Vote to settle the multi-year dozens-of-pages dispute about the naming of Gdansk/Danzig and other locations. The vote has two parts, one with questions when to use Gdansk/Danzig, and a second part affecting articles related to locations with Polish/German history in general. An enforcement is also voted on. The vote has a total of 10 questions to vote on, and ends in two weeks on Friday, March 4 0:00. Thank you -- Chris 73 Talk 00:43, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

A Doomsday question

Hi Henry. I've put a question to you at Talk:Doomsday_argument, but I thought you may not see it, so here I am, pointing it out. --Noetica 06:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd be grateful if you would visit the page again, as I have replied there. (Have you got it watchlisted?) --Noetica 13:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate your last reply, but I have a further question. Please look again, if you can find the time. --Noetica 21:47, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Once again... --Noetica 01:08, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yet again... (But I'll assume from now on that it's watchlisted.) --Noetica 03:21, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Damn! It was only a comment on an apostrophe... (:| --Noetica 00:57, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image:Primrose League.jpg

Your picture at Image:Primrose League.jpg is really impressive. Where did it come from? --Audiovideo 23:06, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I inherited a collection of badges dating from 1885 to 1895, so thought a picture (with a bit of compression) might help illustrate the article. I'm glad you like them. --Henrygb 23:12, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Let's hope you have more treasures hidden away. BTW, I read the link on your user page. As far as I can see the arguments against you being an admin didn't hold water. It is not as if Wikipedia has a surplus of admins and a lack of tasks. Next time I suggest you show a bit of keenness and argue with the idiotic negative comments. Then you can just go back to continuing the good work. --Audiovideo 23:34, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

vanavsos

I am all for changing the title of the article. I may have been ignorant in my naming of the article and it is a simple mistake on my part. People are right now discussing changing it. I would like to ask for a reconsideration on your part to change your vote to "keep". Thanks.WHEELER 18:45, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

South Africa FA

Hello, thank you so much for pointing out the copy vios on the South Africa article. It was horribly embarassing to me. I have completely rewritten these sections and they are no longer copywrite violations. I look forward to hearing your updated opinion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/South Africa. Páll 23:48, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Redirecting Race denial to Validity of human races

Thanks a bunch for finding that article. I wasn't particularly looking forward to the discussion on the original one. 82.92.119.11 00:48, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Genealogy

I object to you referring to my link additions as spam. There is no intention to spam. These sites are important and genealogy should be included on each state page. Cribbswh 21:26, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Toxicology

Do you think the various articles you are creating such as Adequately wet etc. will ever amount to more than dictionary defition stubs. I would just hope you could consider the issue before you move onto the Bs. --Henrygb 01:03, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Do you think I shouldn't include such topics, or should I try including them in relevant articles instead? (unless there is a decent amount to write about the topic). --brian0918™ 01:05, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Happy to discuss here, because I only have one small screen. I don't think some of them will ever expand, but I would have no objection to "adequately wet" being mentioned on the asbestos page for example. So I would suggest either inserting them into other articles or grouping them together by topic. --Henrygb 01:12, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Image:Bernabeu.jpg

Discussion moved to Image talk:Bernabeu.jpg#Copyright.

Absolute poverty and relative poverty

I made some edits to these articles and their talk pages which may clarify my thinking. -- Beland 05:21, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Elona Bojaxhi

Hiya.. thanks for pointing that out, I have deleted the temp page as a recreation of a VFD-deleted article. —Stormie 03:12, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Northumbria

Why are you putting Northumbria in wherever you fin North East England? It is not the official name, and to the extent it has a geographical or historical meaning, it also includes much of Yorkshire. --Henrygb 15:33, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I am putting Northumbria wherever North East England is because today it is a common name for the region especially since Northumbrian culture as it is called is to be promoted more actively throughout the region. Are you sure that that name includes much of Yorkshire? As far as I know it is only used for the NE. Also, why did you remove the table I added to the article? That certainly wasn't my POV. There were encyclopaedic facts on the region. REX 20:14, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Northumbria can mean many things: anywhere in England north of the Humber; the Humber to the River Forth (so SE Scotland as well); the River Tees to the Tweed, perhaps plus Berwick; the River Tyne to the Tweed, perhaps plus Berwick (i.e. the old Northumberland) and perhaps plus Gateshead, South Tyneside and Sunderland (e.g. the area of Northumbria Police (http://ww3.northumbria.police.uk/northumbria/main.asp)). Many people in County Durham would reject the idea of being in Northumbria. But if you think Middlesbrough or Redcar (ex-Yorkshire) are in Northumbria then it would be quite difficult to say Whitby was not, and I would say Hull as well. As for the box - it was about North East England and belongs on the North East England page. I added two extra links to North East England near the top of the Northumbria page, but the two are not equivalent. --Henrygb 22:43, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Drapers' Company

Thanks for pointing me to the information about two kings of Norway being members of the Company. I've translated the article now, at no:Worshipful Company of Drapers. I did look at it earlier, but only read the first paragraph as I felt I wasn't quite prepared to dive into the livery companies at the time. Cnyborg 09:20, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Some quick questions, since you welcomed me!

Hello Henrygb,

I've just made a comment to yours on the Jaynes prior probability question ("prior probabilities"). But I note that some things did not come out as I expected...

Namely, I can't figure out how to get the UTC date and time of my comment to appear.

Also, my identifier comes out in red...I am presuming that this is an invitation for me to create a page for myself, but I don't want to do this unless it is appropriate. (I am presuming that this page is the sort of thing needed)

Thanks, Bill Jefferys Billjefferys

I assume you found out what to do as you blanked your question, but for the record:

• Put what you want on your user page - what you have done is fine. Comment to others on a talk page (yours, theirs, an article talk page, wherever).
• ~~~ produces your name: Henrygb
• ~~~~ produces your name and date: Henrygb 20:54, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• ~~~~~ produces the date: 20:54, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• the penultimate icon above the edit box makes --~~~~ which may make signing comments quicker (sign comments on talk pages, but not contributions to articles) --Henrygb 20:54, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Henry, I did find it after some effort; and thanks for your interest and assistance.

I have in mind to add to the prior probability page and to create one on admissible decision rules, which seems to be sitting in limbo.--Billjefferys 20:42, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for supporting my adminship — I vow to use my super powers for good not evil. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:27, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Images and media for deletion

I am contacting people who previously helped to vote to delete a generally objectionable photograph by a vote of 88 to 21, and who might be unaware that immediately after that image was voted to be deleted someone posted another which was very similar in content. My objections to this, and the previous image that was voted to be deleted might be based upon reasons far different from any that you have, but I do object to it, and consider the posting of such images to be acts of asinine stupidity, which burdens the project and its major educational aims in ways that they should not be burdened, and can be extremely detrimental to the acceptance and growth of WIkipedia's use and influence. Thus far those who I believe to be in the extreme minority of Wikipedians who would like to include these images, many who have been channeled to the voting page from the article with which it is associated have dominated the voting, 23 to 12 (as of the time that I composed this message). I would like to be somewhat instrumental in shedding a bit more light upon the issue, and if possible, helping to turn the tide against its inclusion. It might also be necessary to begin making an effort to establish an explicit Wikipedia policy against explicit photographic depictions of humans engaged in erotic, auto-erotic, or quasi-erotic activities. To my limited knowledge such images have not been accepted as appropriate anywhere else within this project, and frankly I can agree with those who are casually labeled prudes for opposing their inclusion, that they should not be. Vitally important information that might be unwelcome by some is one thing that should never be deleted, but un-needed images that can eventually prevent or impede many thousands or millions of people from gaining access to the great mass of truly important information that Wikipedia provides is quite another matter. There are vitally important distinctions to be made. Whatever your reasons, or final decisions upon the matter, I am appealing for more input on the voting that is occurring at Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion. ~ Achilles † 04:39, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re:RfA thanks

Sorry, I guess my clock was slow, only by ten minutes... Zzyzx11 02:07, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No problem. If I can make admin, then you definately deserve it! — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 23:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 02:53, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Congrats from me too. Good luck as an admin! Grutness|^hello? Missing image
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05:06, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian (t) (c) 05:36, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Welcome aboard! --Tony Sidaway|Talk 07:29, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, and just to let you know I am the David Boothroyd who posts to uk.p.e. Dbiv 22:39, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Henry, congrats on your RFA. I am sure you will continue to be a great asset to Wikipedia, as you always have been. All the best, Wile E. Heresiarch 14:46, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

ValueFirst Messaging

Even if it's an employee that copies the text, shouldn't there be some indication that the company is permitting the release of the text under GFDL? Not that it matters so much in this case, since it doesn't look likely to survive VfD. But, as a matter of principle, I'm not sure that employees automatically have the right to GFDL their companies' text. Anyway, congratulations on becoming an admin! FreplySpang (talk) 21:02, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Value of Coins

Just curious -- what criteria of speedy deletion did that talk page fail to meet? There's no associated article, it's a pointless comment, it looks like a user test, and it adds no value to anything. —chris.lawson (talk) 03:13, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. What happened was that I initially blanked the page to remove the useless comment, then I realised "Maybe this would be better deleted" and then I found the speedy deletion page :) Chalk that somewhat confusing series of events up to a first-time experience with page deletion. —chris.lawson (talk) 17:28, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Deliberate spelling mistake on Henrygb user page?

Hello Henrygb, I noticed that the last line on your user page is:

"Remeber [sic] to sign comments on talk pages, but not contributions to articles..."

Since this is a small thing I would have changed it on your user page (especially because you are advising others to copy it to theirs) but I wasn't sure if this was intentional, or if it is considered rude to modify another Wikipedian's user page. Wragge 13:47, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)

It was not intentional - thank you for spotting it. You have to judge how someone will react to changes to their user page. I would not have minded. --Henrygb 13:59, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Illustrators

The reason for them is this I found an illustrator's guild aunnal best-of book from the 70's and I wrote down the names of some of the one's the liked and looked for more info. Well, there were ones like Ralph Steadman, Ronald Searle, and Holly Hobbie whom we all know about. Now, I know about Bernie Fuchs and Philip Castle thanks to their expansion! (from User:Hailey C. Shannon 01:14, 15 Apr 2005)

Phantom Regiment

Why did you revert? Shouldn't the deletion decision apply to this redirect as well? --Fbriere 21:54, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There were no pointers in the page history to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Phantom Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps. But there was enough before the redirect to justify a stub or a disambiguation page. Looking at 10,000 hits at [8] (http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Phantom+Regiment%22) suggests that the simple phrase cannot be described as not-notable. Just an opinion. --Henrygb 23:51, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I submitted Phantom Regiment Drum and Bugle Corps for undeletion, since Phantom Regiment should actually be a redirect. (And there may be something useful in the deleted history.) Good eye. --Fbriere 17:44, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

VfD

Thanks a lot! Live and learn.... -JMBell° 11:14, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia

The article was victim to a page-move vandal, and I was trying to delete the redirect in order to move it back. However, due to server slowness, I kept getting error messages, which I thought indicated that the attempt had failed; in the meantime someone beat me to it and moved the real article back to where it belongs. The article still ended up deleted, despite the error messages, and though I tried many times to restore it, it timed out every time. I requested on IRC that someone restore it (and User:Kingturtle did; see [9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=Wikipedia)), and it seems to be all fixed now.

I don't know what you mean when you say "keep being restored" - it's not as though I kept deleting it; you'll notice that my three deletes all occurred half an hour before the four restores. User:Rdsmith4/Sig 11:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for moving back the various Brisbane railway station entries. Cheers, Slac speak up! 01:20, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

A Thank You!!!

Having never really had occasion to, I had never reviewed the deletion log before; however, upon reviewing it to see if the templates I had marked for speedy deletion had been deleted, I came to appreciate the hard work you and others do. So Thank you for your efforts and the time you put into keeping Wikipedia functioning Trodel 21:28, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Another thankyou

Thanks for reverting my userpage. Due to a server error, i couldn't see what was vandalized, but it seems that i unwittingly started an edit war. Thanks for the help. --Happyfeet10 14:33, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Borough seat

Your additions to the article Borough seat would make an excellent addition to the article Borough, allowing Borough seat to be a disambiguation page. I have had a difficult time attempting to merge your portion of Borough seat into the appropriate sections of Borough. I thought you might do a better job. -Acjelen 17:19, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Peloponnese Vote

Hi, I agree with your antique post (15 Sept., 2004) regarding Peloponnesos v. Peloponnese. I'd like to initiate a vote on moving it, but I've never done such a thing before. Can you help? --Jpbrenna 00:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Requested moves --Henrygb 22:51, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Ultimate Tournament of Champions template

I reverted your edit to the "List of Contestants" template, because I'm using it as a temporary page while I convert the tables into WikiTable format. I'll redirect it once I get the entire set of tables converted, but for now, I'd prefer it stay the way it is (besides, I doubt anyone would go to the "List of Contestants" page anyway, since it's not linked from anywhere anymore). I appreciate the initiative in redirecting it, though. ral315 22:40, May 27, 2005 (UTC)

Fine by me. I went there when I was trying to stop a bunch of subpages with histories being speedy deleted. --Henrygb 22:44, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Jeopardy UToC

Thanks - I didn't think about the GFDL issues. However, I don't think we have copyright issues and the need to cover ourselves regarding the historical edits. The pages in question are reporting facts that are not be subject to copyright law. This is similar to the reasons that scores of professional sports can't be copyrighted or that the phone book phone numbers can't be copyrighted. Let me know if you agree and I will remark them for speedy. User:Trödel/sig 00:56, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't agree. Everything in Wikipedia is supposed to be factual. Having the subpages as redirects causes no harm and preserves the history; I think it is necessary for GFDL purposes. Read Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion especially points 1 and 7 of the reasons for not deleting redirects. In any case, you you use that page rather than speedy deletes of redirects. --Henrygb 13:37, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Let's keep them then. Just to clarify, when I said they are "reporting facts that are not subject to copyright law" I didn't meant to imply that all facts are not copyrightable. Certain statistical information and other lists are not subject to copyright - like a list of IP addresses, or phone numbers, or sports statistics - there is a copyright in the presentation, and in certain computed information like the college rankings that take stats and weight them in a unique way, but not in the underlying data. User:Trödel/sig 14:55, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Pastry fork.jpg

Since this is labeled as a personal photo, I've gone ahead and marked it with the {{GFDL}} tag (based on above comments). If this is not your intent, please change the copyright tag accordingly. --Alan Au 06:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template:PD-Germany

Anonymous users aren't forbidden from voting, but their votes get discounted if made in bad faith (e.g. sockpuppetry, or an account created after the deletion debate started). But that isn't really the issue - the debate is more important than the votes. As Lupo and Mark pointed out, this template is misleading because it doesn't reflect how German copyright law actually works. As such, there is no guarantee that any of the images tagged as such are in fact Public Domain. Legal ramifications are very important to the Wiki. If an image ends up untagged in this way, it may turn out that we shouldn't be using it in the first place. HTH! Radiant_>|< 12:02, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

You seem to have permanently protected this template. You might note that it has been marked for deletion [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/Deleted#Template:PD-Germany). --Henrygb 10:52, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No, Quadell protected it. See the log (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&page=Template%3APD-Germany). dbenbenn | talk 14:22, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• I do believe that this is all done in good faith - however, copyright is one of the few areas where Wikipedia needs to be exceedingly careful. If we don't know for certain that the images are public domain, then we must not use those images. As you state, we don't know who the copyright holder is, and we don't know whether this law applies to those images. That does not mean we can safely assume there is no copyright holder, nor that the law does not apply. We must therefore err on the side of caution. By the way I've brought the matter to the attention of WP:CP and WP:IFD, who should know more about it. Radiant_>|< 14:53, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

I have unprotected the template. Note, though, that there seems to be no consensus for deletion at this time. – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 14:59, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

• The resident copyright experts are looking into it. In the meantime please avoid using the template if possible. Radiant_>|< 21:40, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
• The template has been examined, and replaced by more suitable ones such as Template:Tl; most images seem usable as 'fair use'. As of now, it's no longer needed, and it has been confusing some people in the past. Thus, there are two possibilities. The first is to reword it to actually reflect German copyright law. The second is deletion. I'd like to hear if you could do the former (but it would probably require a lawyer's touch); if not, I'm going to do the latter, as a misworded legal template is hazardous. Radiant_>|< 08:28, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
  • Okay, I'll leave that discussion to you and Psyschim. We have Template:Fairuse, which is probably appropriate (but I believe the pictures should be examined briefly before slapping on fairuse, just in case). Radiant_>|< 10:05, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Holland

I'm sorry, but I don't see how my edit makes it harder to find the book. Could you please explain? Fnorp 10:22, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)