User talk:Gamaliel

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Hello, welcome to my talk page. Please try to keep it relatively organized by posting new topics on the bottom of the page, making relevant headings about your topic and using subheadings, not new headings, for replies. I will almost always reply on this page to messages. I reserve the right to make minor changes of formatting (headings, bolding, etc.) but not content in order to preserve the readablilty of this page. I also reserve the right to delete rude and/or insulting comments once I've warned someone about making such comments. Also, I'm much more informal than this disclaimer implies. Thank you. Rock on.

March to August 2004: User talk:Gamaliel/Archive 1
September to November 2004: User talk:Gamaliel/Archive 2
November 2004 to February 2005: User talk:Gamaliel/Archive 3
February 2005 to April 2005: User talk:Gamaliel/Archive 4

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Ted Kennedy vandal

Hi. You reverted me on Ted Kennedy. I was removing a vandal's (69.177.44.91) graffiti that he is adding to Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, and Rush Limbaugh. I think you reverted me by mistake. Please contact me if not and we can talk about it. - Tεx τ urε 18:30, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, thought I was reverting the vandal. My mistake. Gamaliel 18:35, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Grahm Junior College

I added a few lines to Grahm Junior College, so it's not a "nothing" anymore, but at least a substub (heck, maybe a full-blown stub). In any event, having reviewed the content of its Memorial web-page (http://hometown.aol.com/mhasson/GrahmHome.html), I'm convinced it should be kept. -- BDAbramson ^thimk 10:56, 2005 May 3 (UTC)

VfD drive-by

I am a bit annoyed by the fact that you bothered to look up my logged-in contribution history and post it under the VfD comments I posted, yet couldn't be bothered to add your own comments or put your signature next to your "addition" to the discussion.

Rather than stay annoyed, and wonder if you even realize that it is annoying, I thought I'd take the time to mention this to you. I think this is mildly hostile behaviour, and it should be discouraged.

At the very least, you should have the courtesy to sign your edits when making such comments.

P.S. The Book of Love is a red link. ;) --Unfocused 19:12, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry I offended you, it was not my intent. However, noting the short history of certain vfd voters is standard practice on vfd. This is not done to dismiss or dispute their arguments, and there is certainly nothing hostile about it. It is done because it is vfd policy that the tallying administrator can and usually does discount the votes of very new users to avoid "ballot stuffing" by users who don't have the best interests of wikipedia in mind. This isn't to say that you are one of those users, of course, just that this problem is common enough that such "tagging" of votes is routine. I did not sign not because I wished to remain anonymous (the edit history obviously makes that impossible) but because I was offering no personal opinion or comment on your vote, just merely noting a fact, and thus I didn't think a personal signature was necessary. Some others who "tag" votes like this do sign their comments, though. I'm sorry if you think this routine practice is distasteful, hostile, or elitist, but it is nothing personal. Once you become more familiar with vfd you will realize that. Gamaliel 20:54, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

To say I'm offended is to overstate my feelings by a lot. I wasn't offended, only a bit annoyed, since I've been here anonymously for quite some time (probably almost a year). I've only recently decided to be more involved. If tagging of VfD votes is to be routine, it should also be routine to comment and sign, even if the comment really is just "No opinion". That would take some of the "anonymous snipe" aspect out of the tag that might really sting new users who haven't bothered to hang around for months before registering a user name. Some of those new users won't stick around to become more familiar with VfD. Further, for me, it wasn't the discounting of the vote, as I expected that; it's the appearance of discounting the arguments made that inevitably comes with a tag like that. I think over time, you'll see that I'm strongly inclusionist, and try to draw in as many people as possible into this amazing project. That's why I start to bristle over anything that appears in any way hostile to new users. I hope you understand. --Unfocused 21:34, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

I understand, but your problem isn't with me, it's with a standard Wiki practice. Perhaps some sort of template is in order. But a discussion like that is best held someplace like Wikipedia talk:Votes for deletion. In any case, a belated welcome aboard. Gamaliel 22:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Gamaliel, I need to report

Gamaliel, I need to report the following user:Cukestroke who left this comment on my talk page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Classicjupiter2#What_happened_to_the_Keith_Wigdor_article.3F They could be that impersonator, but I need to ask you for your help in keeping this person off my talk page and not harrassing me or this artist they keep goofing on. Thanks.Classicjupiter2 20:31, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

If he wants to post a message there and is not vandalizing your page or posting personal attacks or insults, there is nothing I can do as he's not breaking any rules. I suggest you just delete his message and ignore him. Gamaliel 20:52, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Clinton Trivia Section

Gamaliel, please visit the discussion page for the Clinton article [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bill_Clinton#Trivia_Section) and explain how the fact that some people get parodied as rationale for omitting information. Lots of people have birthdays too, yet we include them. plain_regular_ham 17:22, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Disrupting Wikipedia vote

You voted once for the policy at Wikipedia:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. Despite a 75% support that vote was rejected by the minority. A new vote has been called with a two week limit at Wikipedia talk:Don't disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point. Please take a moment to participate. Thanks. - Tεx τ urε 17:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I had no idea this was up for a vote again. Gamaliel 19:09, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

User:The Number, User:Sollogfan RfAr

Hi Gamaliel, after the latest round of shenanigans, I've filed an arbitration request against The Number and Sollogfan. Please consider if you want to add yourself as a plaintiff. Cheers, --MarkSweep 09:37, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

I've added myself. We should have done this a long time ago. Gamaliel 20:10, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Wiki weirdness

An edit of yours seems to have vanished from the history of Joe Scarborough. Any idea what happened? Mirror Vax 21:45, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Oh, now it's back again. Never mind. Strange! Mirror Vax 21:46, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Weird. Gamaliel 21:47, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Pablo Neruda

No problem with you overriding my edit. My usual policy is that when there is a dispute, I start from the side more politically distant from me, and then try to make specific edits that I hope will get consensus. I'm basically in agreement with you on what I'd like to see the article say, but I don't see that we'll ever get consensus on that, nor do I see how you and TDC reverting one another back and forth are ever going to reach consensus. Do you have a plan in mind, or are you just hoping you have more patience and fortitude than him? Because, having dealt with him in the past, that would be a lot of patience and fortitude. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:01, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

I've actually been thinking about this lately. I'm not sure what to do. Few other people are participating in the talk discussion and until your edit I wasn't even sure anyone noticed the discussion at all, really. I'm more than willing to work towards consensus, but I'm not sure how to do that with someone who calls me names and has utter contempt for Wikipedia policy. If you have any suggestions I am eager to hear them. Gamaliel 07:11, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I finished reading the Feinstein biography last night, and I am now convinced more than ever that you were absolutely correct in your opposition to TDC's additions. FWIW, I am sorry not to have been more help earlier this month on the talk page; I was following the discussions, but when he started coming up with citations to obscure sources, etc., I had no context with which to refute them. In any event, I hope to add some more bits and pieces to the article in due time. -- Viajero | Talk 11:47, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Schools deletion

Hi, I noticed you voted on several school VfD's. Can I get you to reconsider? I can't help noting that WP is filled with articles containing unencyclopeadic trivia on non-notable actors in bad TV shows; surely all of these should get blanket VfD's long before we start deleting articles on elementary schools? OMFG, just take a look at the mass of articles that WP has on Pokemon. Surely, an article on some hobunk elementary school in the middle-of-nowhere, Oklahoma, is more notable, encyclopaedic and important than some totally bogus, entirely fictional pokemon character? linas 19:39, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I disagree for a number of reasons:

Mass media cultural products are seen by millions around the world and thus are more relevant and notable than somebody's elementary school.
There are thousands (millions?) of nearly identical schools around the world. The minor differences between them are of local interest at best.
Much of the information about schools is unverifiable info added by anon editors. I find this disconcerting.
Wikipedia is not the only source of information in the world. Removing all the pov and unverifiable info and we're left with little more than school directory entries. Either we should just dump one of those directories in Wikipedia or we should just leave this task to them. Gamaliel 00:31, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

You don't care about accuracy

This project pretends to be an encyclopaedia, but what it really is is a bunch of stupid power mad kids like you who are running around trying to get everyone to bend to their wills. So we can spend hundreds of hours on something, and you pull it apart, then start hurling abuse and then ooh, you've blocked them. Well, aren't you special.

You're an idiot. And I am beginning to think all administrators here are. Stupid project.

Does it make you feel good to delete hundreds of hours of work, and then claim it to be vandalism? Does it make you feel good to remove all of the evidence of something, just so that you can tell lies about it?

203.26.206.130 18:59, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

If you are talking about your contributions to Port Arthur massacre, the article was moved to Port Arthur Massacre. Nothing was vandalized or deleted. If this is not what you are talking about, please be specific and omit the childish personal attacks. Gamaliel 19:02, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Tampa media article

I finally got around to writing this. Please add more information if you can. Mike H 17:41, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

Nice work. I don't know much about the history of the Trib despite reading it for a number of years so I don't know what I could add to this that isn't terribly subjective. Gamaliel 23:41, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Tamagotchi

Hang on... are you the same Gamaliel whose Everything2 writeup for 'Tamagotchi' - a haiku, which goes "Shiro-bai ni / oikakerareu / tamagotchi" - are you that person? Fled, for just over a year? I too spent some time away from Everything2, but have returned, because there are two sides to my personality and Wikipedia only allows me to express the middle side. Small world, I run into your name via the Sollog mess and now I run into it again, by chance.-Ashley Pomeroy 23:20, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

That's me. I've written so many articles there you're lucky I remember that one. Or nodes, I guess - haven't used that word in over a year. There's no particular reason that I haven't been back to e2 other than wanting to see how high I can get that fled clock though I might stop by to port old articles here or get the POV out of my system by posting some rant. Gamaliel 23:45, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

John Landis

You just sent me a message about my attempt to delete the page on John Landis. Thank you for making clear to me the rule against random users such as myself deleting entire articles. But I'm not sure how to approach the subject. The article was so full of factual errors and highly subjective remarks that it was a disaster. It didn't need just a little editing, it needed a complete re-write. I replaced what was there with a blurb from the IMDB, but I guess that might be a copyright violation, so it's a temporary solution at best. But here's my frustration: Navigating through the editorial procedures of Wikipedia is very labrynthine, and I can't for the life of me find the list of pages that needs such extensive re-writing. I found pages that mention the list, and talk about the list, but I can't find the list itself. unsigned comment from 69.177.110.87

Replied on User talk:69.177.110.87 Gamaliel 23:36, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Gamaliel. Actually, I don't know if it's appropriate to post a thanks here, but thanks for your help anyway.

Wiki FoxTrot

Hey there. You may wish to take a look at Image:Foxtrot wikipedia.jpg, which is the same as the one you uploaded (Image:Wikifoxtrot.gif). Your version, however, is quite a bit smaller (GIF being more appropriate for such an image). Just thought you might want to know about the duplication in case you weren't already aware. violet/riga (t) 23:43, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Should we bother listing one of them on IfD? Gamaliel 23:47, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Dunno. We could delete the one you did seeing as it's only linked to from this page, but the size is much better. It's not particularly worth the hassle changing the other one to this though, so I'm sure it's fine to leave them both – it's amusing enough to deserve a double appearance! violet/riga (t) 23:55, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Economic, Social and Cultural Council

there two members of of the Economic social and cultural council of the African Union that should be articles themselves not redirects.

ArbCom on Internodeuser

FYI, a Request_for_arbitration has been opened on user Internodeuser. I bring your attention to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:203.26.206.130&diff=prev&oldid=13940559) and this (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gamaliel&diff=prev&oldid=13940598) edit where you have had prior dealings with this user. -- Longhair | Talk 12:48, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

African Union

I saw that you made two members of the Economic, social an cultural committee of the african union into redirects. these are not redirects but subsanitive articles. Now, they maybe stubs or sub stubs but they are still articles. i don't know if that can be changed but maybe you can think of something.

All they said was "Member of the Economic, Social and Cultural Council of the African Union for the region of Central Africa." This is not substantive in any sense of the word. Gamaliel 21:43, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Eponymous

Hi, I saw that you moved Eponymous (album) to eponymous. Personally I don't think that's a good idea, since most people who link to "eponymous" will probably expect an explanation of the term, while those intending to link to the album will typically check first whether it's really there. In any event, if you prefer the current state of affairs, I would ask that you fix all the now-broken links pointing to eponymous. Cheers, AxelBoldt 15:28, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Just noticed that Ozomatli also has an album called "Eponymous", for what it's worth. AxelBoldt 15:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As far as I could tell, there were only two links which weren't to the album, both of which I've either fixed or eliminated. In any case, I made the change because I had a hell of a time finding the page for the album with the search box and wanted to eliminate similar confusion for less experienced users. Gamaliel 15:35, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, R adiant _>|< 08:11, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism to Shadow Hearts

Hi, on 16 May 2005 you warned anon User:156.63.116.26 against vandalism but he hit the Shadow Hearts article [2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shadow_Hearts&diff=prev&oldid=14884171) earlier today. --TimPope 17:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Most likely it's a different user with the same ip assigned randomly. I'll keep an eye on it and block him if he keeps it up. Gamaliel 19:58, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Middlesex school

Kappa has uncovered at least three prominent alumni of this school, including the current governor of New Mexico. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:27, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image:Reed.gif

Image deletion warning

The image Image:Reed.gif has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it will be deleted. If you have any information on the source or licensing of this image, please go there to provide the necessary information.

Zeimusu | (Talk page) 06:54, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It is now tagged and sourced. Why did you say this image was unused? Gamaliel 15:47, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Moving Pages

When I tried to move the page, John F. Kennedy assassination to Assassination of John F. Kennedy, I got a message saying that it cannot be moved. -- SNIyer1^(talk) 21:18, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

IIRC, if it was merely a redirect the page move will work, but since that page has a history now due to your cut and pastes, the move was rejected by the software. I see you've already posted to Wikipedia:Requested moves and so an administrator will take a look and if there is a consensus for the title change, s/he will perform the move for you. Gamaliel 23:13, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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