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1 Fix esperanto link.. 2 The Slovenian Wikipedia has reached 10,000 articles. PLEASE adjust the international page. 3 English 4 new layout? 5 Interesting 6 100,000 article mark 7 Language displays 8 Latvian Wikipedia is 1000+ 9 Order of Languages 10 Belarusian is >1000 11 Thai 12 sr: = 10 000 articles 13 Midpoints 14 Vietnamese Wikipedia 15 Polish Wikipedia 16 Javanese Wikipedia 17 Estonian Wikipedia 18 Czech wikipedia 19 Wikipedia Indonesia 20 Marathi > 1000 21 Low German 22 Hungarian 23 Irish

Fix esperanto link..

Thats nasty..

The Slovenian Wikipedia has reached 10,000 articles. PLEASE adjust the international page.

sl: has reached 10,000! Can someone please change the thing on the international page (http://www.wikipedia.org)? The link's here for you. Scott Gall 05:54, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The international page (www.wikipedia.org) really needs updating. What needs updating is the fact that sl: has reached 10,000; ja: has nearly 100,000 articles (NOT 97,000.) Thank you, Scott, for pointing out that sl: is in the 10,000-50,000 on the main page, but in the 1000-10,000 range on www.wikipedia.org. PLEASE will someone change it? 210.55.81.3 18:51, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for that, 210.55.81.3. All it takes for people to note that sl: has reached 10,000 is get a developer, and ask them to move the link. I have proof that sl: has reached the 10K mark. I copied it from sl:'s main page, known in Slovenian as 'Glavna stran.'

Dobrodošli na strani Wikipedije v slovenščini! Vabimo vse, ki jih zanima izdelava spletne enciklopedije, da se nam pridružite in nam pomagate izdelati celotno enciklopedijo. Angleška različica Wikipedije je od 15. januarja 2001 zbrala prek 470.000 člankov, v slovenski pa je od 8. marca 2002 nastalo 10194 člankov. Vsebina Wikipedije je zaščitena z dovoljenjem GNU za rabo proste dokumentacije. Izdelava takšne enciklopedije vzame veliko časa, a je zabavna in nam tudi veliko povrne. Preskusite se v sestavljanju. Če se še niste srečali s področjem strežnikov Wiki, si lahko preberete kratek opis zamisli, zgodovine in izdelkov WikiWiki (http://www.lugos.si/~peterlin/besedila/wiki.html), ki ga je napisal eden od naših uporabnikov. 20. septembra 2004 je Wikipedija je dosegla 1 milijon člankov v več kot 100 jezikih.

The 10194 is the number of articles in Slovenian. It's been done on the English main page, now please change it on the international page. It's not fair that our demands for developer assistance are not being met. Scott Gall 07:08, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

English

Can you tell me why English Wikipedia is listed here? It makes no sense (on main page): "Wikipedia in other languages...English...". Other language to English is English? 81.168.225.212

good point -- I think this at least should be uncontroversial. let's remove this non-link to self. dab (ᛏ) 10:57, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

new layout?

I know this has had a long history of discussion but what do you think of this layout? It's a little larger but it's more consistant with the main .org page. violet/riga (t) 12:54, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree it looks nice, but it creates an artificial gap between 6th and 7th, which may be 10 articles apart for all we know (this is of course also my gripe with the portal page). dab (ᛏ) 11:00, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Interesting

Right after GeorgeStepanek bashes me for having no respect for the democratic process here on Wikipedia, he encourages Raul654 to take actions that are explicitly the opposite of what was decided by the majority in the illegitimate poll started by GeorgeStepanek.

There was clearly more support for starting at 1000+ than for starting at 10000+, but of course as Raul654 has demonstrated elsewhere in the past he doesn't care what the majority thinks, only what he thinks of the majority. --Node 21:45, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Starting at 10,000 - particularly without any other listing on the main page! - is both a bad idea, and something that should be discussed for more than one or two days before implementation. I restored the Jan 27 layout. +sj + 08:04, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

100,000 article mark

There has been discussion on a 100,000 article mark in the past. It was rejected for two reasons:

1. Only English and German had 100,000 articles
2. It took up to much space

The first is no longer true: Japanese also has 100,000 articles, and soon French will. The latter is no longer true: the 1,000-10,000 article heading has been dropped. We should have a 100,000 article mark. Gerritholl 15:31, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. I think that we should have three sets chosen on a half-magnitude scales: 100k+, 20k+, 4k+, and that we only allow increasing the top one (and hence all the others) when there are at least four Wikipedian language versions in each set. Thus, in this case, we should wait until French reaches 100k before making the change.

James F. (talk) 16:15, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Language displays

Firstly, we should display more languages than we have in the past. We should not be limiting the number of languages listed on the main page; we should be imposing quality standards on the editions we link to. If every language suddenly became a perfect translation / parallel edition, we should show all 200 of them on the main page.

[Whether as interlang links on the side, or at the bottom of the main page, I don't know. These are issues we have to figure out, and they are no less serious for widely-translated articles than they are for the main page.]

Secondly, WWW portals aside, the en wikipedia continues to represent the project as a whole to at least 80% of our visitors, and to the world at large (including many of the multilingual people who visit both en and other language editions, and other WM projects). And the display of multilingual breadth is currently the most impressive part of the main page.

Finally, I think 1k/10k/100k is the right way to plan ahead. Simple, sensible, self-symmetric, unchanging.

Some strawman arguments:

• "Taking up space at the bottom of the page" is not an issue here, as there is nothing else to scroll down to see.
  • The extra 500 characters is likewise not significantly increasing the size of this 30+k page.
• "No other main pages show all these languages"
  • Including 1000+ languages, we still show fewer languages than both fr: and ja:. And many wikipedians, not simply node and myself, like the way the main page looked when it included 100+ languages as ja: currently does.

Other arguments:

• There's a multilingual portal! Everyone can go there!

  I care about how en: looks, not about how the portal looks. The portal's design is in many ways inferior to that of this page. And its languages aren't presnted in English, since it is trying to be maximally language-neutral. And adding an extra intermediate click and load-time isn't good interface design at all.

+sj + 08:26, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

my strawman would be that an "encyclopedia" of 900 articles (600 of which will be stubs) is a fun project, but utterly worthless as an "encyclopedia", and therefore, while interesting for some editors, not really a good showcase for readers. At "10k" you begin to have a remote chance of actually finding an article on the subject you're interested in. This is not a strong objection, though, since I'm objecting to the red herring of article-counting anyway (word count is more meaningful) dab (ᛏ) 10:47, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I disagree strongly. First of all, not all small Wikipedias are made up mostly of stubs. Second of all, shame on you for passing judgement on Wikipedias you aren't even able to read. It is very arrogant of you to make these judgements - I, for one, know from first-hand experience that as long as a Wikipedia has more than a couple hundred articles, it can still be very useful (unless they're mostly stubs). Having all blue links isn't what makes it useful. --Node

I agree - but I feel a bit more strongly in my agreement. That said, this isn't worth fighting over until the 1000+ list gets 2 or 3 times the size it is now. --mav 00:23, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I don't have a stong opinion either way. My peference would be to remove them entirely from the front page, and make them available in a page linked from the "other languages" image and label. I don't feel that those links are any more important than the ones on the Community portal, for example. But it does make sense now to change the top bracket to 100k+. (By the way, according to Alexa en is the destination for 65% of our vistors, not 80%, to pick a nit.) GeorgeStepanek\^talk 03:21, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Of course it would be. You're GeorgeStepanek, hater of all language templates on en mainpages!

Latvian Wikipedia is 1000+

The Latvian Wikipedia has reached the 1,000 article mark. Could someone with admin rights please add this line

[[:lv:|Latviešu (Latvian)]] – 

under Wikipedia encyclopedia languages with over 1,000 articles? Thanks in advance. --Juzeris 20:12, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Done.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 20:32, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! --Juzeris 23:46, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Order of Languages

Japanese (Nih...) should come after Dutch (Ned...). 203.122.228.212 12:03, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, it should not.

Fair enough, but even if you assume English language order, Dutch should come before German. Either way it's wrong. (Nitpick :) 203.122.228.212 06:30, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Belarusian is >1000

someone could update this on front page [1] (http://www.wikipedia.org)? Thanks. --Monkbel 00:44, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

And Latvian as well, please. --Juzeris 22:20, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Breton (a Brythonic Celtic language spoken in north-western France) is >100. I have a reward of ψ15 for the admin who is so bold as to go and fix it up on [2] (http://www.wikipedia.org) (the actual link is m:Www.wikipedia.org template, an HTML page.) Scott Gall 07:56, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thai

we should add th:, but the native spelling looks messed up in my browser, "Thai (ไทย)". What do you think, should we add it like that regardless, or shall we transliterate, "phasa thai (Thai)"? dab (ᛏ) 09:04, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

"Thai (ไทย)" looks OK in Thai-enabled browsers. Maybe you don't have Thai font in your system. Since Thai is my native tongue, I suggest that the text link should be "ภาษาไทย (Thai)". Thanks for your suggestion to add th: to this template --Phisite 09:50, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I am aware that this is the problem. And if you want to make use of the th: 'pedia, obviously you'll have to Thai-enable your browser. However, it would seem many browsers are not so enabled by default, and to many people looking at the en: Main page, the Thai spelling will look mangled. Anyway, I suppose we can add it like it is, and react to complaints later. dab (ᛏ) 10:49, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

My browser should be Thai-enabled. I use Code2000 and Code2001, and it seems to work in some places and not in others. Thai is the only script that does appear right. On the th.wikipedia main page, nothing displays right except the title of the page (the part that's displayed in the tab when the window is hidden not the text on the page). Tuf-Kat 22:19, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

the strange thing is that normally, browsers will display unknown glyphs as question marks or little rectangles. I'm using Firefox on OS X right now, for example, and the Devanagari (Hindi, Sanskrit) appears as question marks. In the case of Thai, however, the wrong symbols are displayed, among them š, Σ. I'm not sure why, is this only a macintosh issue? Thai Unicode is U+0Exx (3584–3839), and we seem to be encoding it correctly, so I don't know what's wrong. dab (ᛏ) 08:29, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I use OSX too. Tuf-Kat

sr: = 10 000 articles

Serbian Wikipedia has just reached 10,000 articles. Since Main page is locked for editing, may someone please put link to sr: into above 10 k section. --M. Pokrajac 23:32, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Done.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 21:45, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

Midpoints

In a fit of unilateralism, I recently converted many of Wikipedia's en dashes to middle dots or midpoints. Normally, en dashes and midpoints are not fungible, because en dashes are most often used to indicate range, as in 2001–2005, while midpoints, when they're not being used as punctuation in languages like Georgian, are used as separators between items in a flat list, as in Cats · Dogs · Hippopotami. However, in many cases, en dashes are used frequently on (at least) the English Wikipedia to differentiate list items – where midpoints would be more appropriate, typographically speaking. In addition, I replaced a few hyphens with midpoints. By no means, of course, can my few edits be considered exhaustive; several sets of dashes and hyphens were left unconverted (notably in the 'Selected anniversaries' and, it would appear, 'Today's featured article' templates, in which hundreds of separate pages would need to be edited to effect a consistent change) and the quiet precedent established when I myself converted lots of hyphens to en dashes spurred other people to make changes of their own, unbeknown to me.

Here's an example of an en dash to midpoint conversion:

to

Most of my edits, in fact, were made to transcluded templates.

The conversion is beneficial because of the typographic reason mentioned above (besides, there is no historical justification for using en dashes or hyphens instead). Also, midpoints are smaller – thus more economical – than en dashes. And a more technical reason: according to Meta, the middle dot (·) is an extended ASCII character that is 'safe for use in all Wiki pages'. En dashes, on the other hand, are described as 'possibly unsafe'.

There remains at least one question, viz., how shall we enter this character? I favor using the 'named character entity reference' for a few reasons:

• No keyboard that I know of has a · key, so direct input is infeasible. If we were to simply copy and paste the character in order to reproduce it, as it seems to have been done under the 'Content' header at the Commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page) main page, then people wouldn't know how to write a new one if a copyable specimen were not available. They could always open up a character map, but...oh, forget it! I should stop rambling.
• The numeric character identity reference, in this case ·, is apparently unloved by some older browsers, which 'incorrectly interpret [numeric references] as references to the native character set'. I find it difficult to care about older browsers (last month, for example, 0.2% of W3Schools (http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp) visitors used Netscape 4), but some people, of course, do care. What concerns me more is the difficulty in remembering to write · when a midpoint is called for, compared to ·, which can be recalled far more readily.

What remains? As I edit, now, I see that below the text box there's the word 'Insert:' followed by a bunch of clickable special characters; clicking one causes it to be inserted. Presumably, this rash of JavaScript is part of the 'edit toolbar' and thus part of the software; I can't find a template anywhere with which I could edit it. It already includes the useful and wondrous – and —, but · is absent, likely because the character isn't (hitherto, provided my edits are not quickly reverted in disgust) used much in Wikipedia. The midpoint would be a useful addition to this toolbar if the character becomes standard WP practise for separating list items when commas are inappropriate.

Thank you for your time. Chris Roy 01:22, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning is where the javascript lives. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:19, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Vietnamese Wikipedia

The Vietnamese Wikipedia now has more than 1,000 articles. Could a sysop please find the following code in this template:

[[:tt:|Tatarça (Tatar)]] · 

And add the following code after it:

[[:vi:Trang Chính|Tiếng Việt (Vietnamese)]] · 

Thanks. – Minh Nguyễn (talk, contribs, blog (http://mxn.f2o.org/index.html)) 00:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Polish Wikipedia

Somehow the Polish Wikipedia got lost from this list. I've restored it now. - Mark 12:32, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh... oops, sorry about that. -- ran (talk) 13:37, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC)

Javanese Wikipedia

Wikipedia in Javanese or Basa Jawa now has more than 1,000 article. Can someone please update this please? Thank you! Meursault2004 17:33, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Done. — mark ✎ 16:54, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Estonian Wikipedia

I was surfing around, and I noticed the Estonian (Eesti) Wikipedia is now over 10K. I'm just posting this as a heads-up; since I'm an admin, I can make the change myself (I think). Dale Arnett 00:29, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Czech wikipedia

Czech (Česky) Wikipedia reached 10K articles. I just post it here to let know. --Dodo78 11:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I moved it up the list. Congratulations!—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 12:48, May 25, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia Indonesia

Indonesian Wikipedia now has more than 10000 articles, please update. kandar 07:30, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Done.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 11:38, May 31, 2005 (UTC)

Marathi > 1000

Marathi Wikipedia has crossed 1000 articles.

Can you please add Marathi (मराठी) in the list of wikipedias having more than 1000 articles

Thank you

Wces423

Done.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 15:08, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you - Wces423 07:04, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Low German

Should Low German be in the list? -- ran (talk) 15:53, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

I would say yes. I cannot add it myself, though, because I do not know how to write the name of the language in that language.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 16:07, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

Hungarian

Hungarian Wikipedia is now over 10k. Wouldn't you mind adding it in the list of Wikipedia encyclopedia languages with over 10,000 articles?

--Strapontin 00:54, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've just checked and it shows 9,982 articles. Maybe tomorrow or soon after then. I'll keep an eye on it.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 01:29, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Irish

Irish is now hirgher that 1000 please update ps does any one know how to shang the page on [[3] (http://www.wikipedia.org)] --Happy ga 12:17, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Please add [[:ga:|Gaeilge (Irish)]] to the 1000+ articles section. The m:Www.wikipedia.org_template has been updated. --Gabriel Beecham/Kwekubo 13:21, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC) --

Added, thank you. silsor 19:14, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)