Talk:Traumatic Incident Reduction

Copyrights

Sorry for the confusion. I offer four arguments in defense.

1. As Chairman of the Public Information Committee for TIRA (the governing board of Metapsychology), I have permission to post this article. See http://www.tir.org/metapsy/contactus.htm Also, my wife is President of TIRA as you can also see there.

2. A WHOIS search will note that TIR.ORG is maintained by me and in fact has been in my house since 1996.

3. I also have verbal permission from the author, Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. with whom I have been friends for 20 years.

4. The ORIGINAL source of this document is http://www.tir.org/metapsy/tirfaq.htm which is under my control

Please reply with the appeals process and a pointer on how to avoid problems in the future. Thank you

Victor R. Volkman

I replied here. Summary: Ok, works for me, sorry for the confusion. --Ben Brockert 23:52, May 12, 2004 (UTC)

Cleanup notes

This article and its related articles just survived VfD. I've merged the articles on the subject into a single article.

Things it needs:

• More information on the background and history of TIR. Specifically, its origins in Scientology and its relation to the Free Zone. The lack of mention of this looks like a whitewash, even if TIR considers itself to have diverged sufficiently to no longer be very related. (A lot of the stuff in this article still looks like Dianetics with the jargon words changed. And TIR is still listed on clearing.org.) From a third party site [1] (http://www.peakstates.com/other_effective_techniques.htm): "It’s a stripped down version of the methods used by the Scientology Church, without the cult trappings and involvement. Briefly, using a set formula they have clients relive trauma over and over again until healing occurs. This technique is very effective and fast, usually one or two hours per topic, and has the added benefit that they use GSR meters to verify completion in a clients work ... I speculate that the association with Scientology has created a climate of fear in professionals who would normally embrace this technique."

• Severe NPOVing. It's a real subject that is probably worthy of an article, but the present article reads like original research. Wikipedia is a secondary or tertiary source, not a primary one.

• Sources other than the TIR organisations. There are at least a few.

• Have there been decent criticisms? Scientific testing of TIR's theories? These need noting.

The present article is well over 32KB, but that's in pre-cleanup mode. I suspect quite a lot could be made more concise. - David Gerard 09:46, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

from VfD

Metapsychology, Anamnesis in Traumatic Incident Reduction, Frank A. Gerbode, Traumatic Incident Reduction all on Cleanup/Leftovers, and all appear to be POV original research (at the very least). -- The Anome 23:10, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

• Actually, they're a quite well-documented schism from Scientology - Gerbode is a trained psychologist and ex-Scientologist trying to turn the stuff to good use. See Free Zone. Should probably be a single article with redirects, though - merge into Traumatic Incident Reduction and redirect (and that article could do with cleanup) David Gerard 23:37, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
• Consolidate and rewrite (amounts to a blanket delete for all but Frank Gerbode). Could you, David Gerard, do a single overview article with NPOV? Geogre 02:38, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • I'm not an expert, but I'll give it a go! - David Gerard 19:23, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Oh crikey, this is gonna be work. TIR deserves an article, but all these articles are basically the original research cut'n'pasted here with permission - the source texts on the subject, rather than proper articles. Also, TIR doesn't mention Scientology for obvious public relations reasons. I vote keep on the main TIR article and redirect the rest, but it does need some serious NPOVing. I'll do what I can - David Gerard 20:19, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • I've notably been failing to haul arse on this one. I'll try to get to it today (merge and redirect at least kludgily) - David Gerard 09:27, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)