Talk:Second Opium War
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Sorry don't agree
- Permitting Chinese to work overseas is nothing more than the export of Chinese laborers to colonies. Around 1860, a large number of Chinese were recruited as "contractual workers". In reality, these Chinese, labeled as "coolies" were taken to America and Southeastern Asia. Their destiny was as miserable as the black slaves from Africa.
Nothing that the Chinese workers went through in the 1800's was nearly as bad as African slavery. One should note that in Southeast Asia overseas Chinese ended up dominant economically. Even in the United States despite some nasty discrimination, the lot of Chinese workers was much better than black slaves.
Roadrunner 05:38, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
"The British-French Alliance maintained its colonial rule for nearly 4 years in Guangzhou." Seems like this was a buzzword thrown in. If the British and French used a nominal native ruler and didn't actually have any colonization efforts, then the correct term is an occupation, rather than colonial rule.
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Bias
Ok, will the article editors please click on Neutral point of view and read it?ChessPlayer 05:59, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
Cite Sources
As the revision demand was rejected, some in Western countries cried "Diplomacy only came from cannons", "The Chinese ought to be taught a lesson." - someone said this? Who? see Wikipedia:Cite sources - ChessPlayer 09:54, 20 May 2004 (UTC)
Removed from article for lack of source citation:
As the revision demand was rejected, some in Western countries cried "Diplomacy only came from cannons", "The Chinese ought to be taught a lesson."
I doubt highly if any English speaking person said, "Diplomacy only came from cannons"; this sounds more like the words of someone who doesn't speak English as their primary language. I think some Wikipedia editor made this up. ChessPlayer 09:20, 24 May 2004 (UTC)
Opium Legal or Not?
The article on the Treaty of Nanking apparently says that the treaty legalized the opium trade in China, but this article on the Second Opium War says that the Arrow was boarded partly because it was suspected of opium smuggling. Did the legal status of opium trading change between the first and second war? I'm doing a report on this and the Boxer Rebellion for school. Non-User 02:27, 04 April 2005
Without knowing, I'd suggest perhaps they were smuggling by evading taxes? 212.159.61.65 12:13, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
The Answer
The Chinese never ratified the treaty of Tientsin (or Nanking) that ended the First Opium War, hence the Second - This is why it was still illegal. It was supposed to be ratified a year after it was signed. look at this for excessive detail http://www.uglychinese.org/qing.htm
biased nationalism
This is dangerous, nationalistic B.S. This occured 150 years ago yet the author(s) edit this as if its a state propoganda piece against the white people of the world. I hope they remember Mao's "great leap forward" which killed 10s of millions and the Japanese occupation which did just as bad.
>> The simple truth is that the British and others brought war to China.
>> What Mao did is of course terrible but doesn't change the fact of the
>> latter. - Get it together! Think! Don't be inflamatory!
The European motives may be underhanded -- isn't eveything politically? -- but this article owes it to the readers to state the purported and possible causes for western anger. For instance, prisoner torture is just barely touched on. And why, for instance, were foreigners not allowed to travel and trade other than in a few highly controlled areas? Sounds like unfair trade to me.
And why were Chinese not allowed to emigrate before the war? Sounds like oppression to me.
Mid-1800s imperialist China was a corrupt and declining society. Blaming it all on the Europeans is dishonest.
Chinese authors, think for a minute that your country doesn't allow free speech or free websites. Here we have a forum where different histories can be expressed and weighed fairly. Why are you coming to the English wikipedia and clogging it up with your poisonous crap?
--Relax, the fact of the matter is that white people tried to get the Chinese addicted to drugs so they could make money. Don't freak out because you can't handle it that the British were brutal monsters in the past. Right-wingers, god it's not enough that your politics of selfishness dominate our dying world, you want to seem like angels too. Give me a break.