Talk:Rubber-hose cryptanalysis
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- Torture has been employed in real situations in just this way.
I'm slightly skeptical that this has been documented, or at least, it would be better if we could actually cite an example of where this has taken place. — Matt 20:19, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- One well documented example would be the the Snowtown murders. (http://www.smh.com.au/cgi-bin/common/popupPrintArticle.pl?path=/articles/2003/09/08/1062901998339.html) Before being strangled, butchered and stuffed in barrels of acid, some of the victims were tortured to reveal their banking PINs - and also forced to read scripts that were later spliced into messages used to throw their families off the track, and keep their welfare cheques flowing. They were tortured not with rubber hoses, but with electric shocks, fire, knives and pliers [1] (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/snowtown/epilogue_7.html?sect=3). A vaguely similar case - involving partial strangulation, rape, and torture with fire to extract a PIN, but only one victim, and no murder this time - is here (http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_detail/0,1227,200092-1-7,00.html). (Quite possibly it was inspired by Snowtown.) (I had also heard that this is a relatively common crime in South Africa, but the only references I could find were to sadistic torture or vigilantism, rather than extracting PINs.)
- However, I suspect that the grisly horror of actual torture cases would be a distraction from the essence of the article, which is designing protocols which obviate torture. Securiger 15:25, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)