Talk:Pornocracy

please let me some time to complete the article.

Contents

1 Is this a serious article? 2 Rule of the Harlots 3 Theodora Senatrix 4 Adultery? 5 List of most sexually active popes 6 Liutprand 7 No Fench kings?

Is this a serious article?

Seriously though!

It's the start of a translation of a French article. I must admit, I thought it was humor when I read it. Ambivalenthysteria 14:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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This article as it stands is clearly a candidate for speedy deletion. You have about fifteen minutes to add something useful to convince us that it should not be speedy deleted. (just because it was originally written in French doesn't mean its not nonsense). DJ Clayworth 14:32, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Or alternatively it may be copyvio: [1] (http://www.wordreference.com/definition/pornocracy.htm) DJ Clayworth 14:36, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

See http://www.google.com/search?q=pornocracy%20papacy. It appears to be a legit topic. I guess you learn something every day. Could be worth sending to Cleanup, even if anon doesn't fix it up. Is that phrase enough to earn it a copyvo listing?. Ambivalenthysteria 14:38, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

When I wrote that, 'that phrase' was the entire article. DJ Clayworth 15:56, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

User:VampWillow deleted it anyway, it seems. Ambivalenthysteria 14:41, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I restored it; I could verify it inside and outside wikipedia. [[User:Sverdrup|✏ Sverdrup]] 14:46, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The List_of_forms_of_government page shows it. Would it really be worth having a separate page for each of these terms. A lot of them seem rather silly. (I admit I could just be being naive here). Dazzled

Rule of the Harlots

Accoring to the internet, "Rule of the Harlots" is an alternative name for the period. But what does it mean?

In modern use a harlot is a prostitute, referring to a woman. But in old usage a harlot referred to a "a man of no fixed occupation, vagabond, beggar", therefore referring to the popes, who seem to be a random, unprofessional bunch [2] (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=harlot&r=67).

How old is the term "rule of the harlots", ie which meaning of harlot is intended? The dictionary says the change of meaning occurred in the 13-14th century, so if the term is from the time where the "Rule of the Harlots" happened it would mean "a man of no fixed occupation, vagabond, beggar".

Since both meanings seem to be possible, perhaps this is what caused the meaning of "harlot" to change, through misunderstanding?

Thue | talk 10:58, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It's a great theory - I'll do some research and see if I can come up with anything. In the mean time, I've added some info on the unreliability of the main source and I'm still looking to add much more to the article (even if it's never AOTW, I personally would love to get this up to featured standard). -- ALargeElk | Talk 14:44, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Theodora Senatrix

What is the source you use for the last name? According to [3] (http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?DOCID=1E1:Marozia&num=5&ctrlInfo=Round4%3AMode4a%3ASR%3AResult&ao=&COOKIE=NO) "senatrix" is a title. Thue | talk 17:05, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It's from [4] (http://falcon.sbuniv.edu/~hgallati/hi13le25.html#POR) - and you're right that it's a title. Probably we should just call her Theodora (10th century) - we already have Theodora (6th century), Theodora (9th century) and Theodora (11th century). -- ALargeElk | Talk 12:09, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Adultery?

How can a pope commit adultery when they are not supposed to be married? May be the text should say 'sex' instead of 'adultery'

List of most sexually active popes

What's with this list? Where are the references for what's said, and what's it doing here anyway? It states as fact things which are only allegations, and only two of the popes listed are during the pornocracy anyway. --ALargeElk | Talk 12:36, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Ah, I see - it was merged from an article of the same name. I don't think it belongs here - if is should be anywhere, it needs its own article, and should then be cleaned up. I'll think about how to deal with this. --ALargeElk | Talk 12:45, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

OK, I've unmerged it and added a bit of a header paragraph to the other article. --ALargeElk | Talk 14:55, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. --69.214.227.51 03:55, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Liutprand

"Much of the evidence for the time comes from the histories of Liutprand"

Did the original author mean to say testimony instead of evidence? --69.214.227.51 03:55, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No Fench kings?

Shouldnt't this article be more about official mistresses of Frech kings? I guess there are many more similar historical situations. If it needs to focus on popes it should get more relevant name. Pavel Vozenilek 22:35, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)