Talk:Palestinian views of the peace process/archive 2

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1 Inclusion dispute 1.1 from talk:Palestine 1.2 From VfD 1.3 What is the point of this article? 1.4 Most recent (from this page)

Inclusion dispute

The inclusion dispute has been solved. The article is to exist at this location.

from talk:Palestine

At VfD, it was suggested that Palestinian views of the peace process be merged into this article. The article currently redirects here, but the original text can be got from the page history (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Palestinian_views_of_the_peace_process&oldid=1984944) should anyone want to do the merging.

I am sad that people are trying to censor and hide the views of Arab Palestinians. I know that the majority of Wikipedia users are anti-Zionist, if not anti-Semitic, but come on. It is ugly and dishonest to lie about and misrepresent the beliefs of the Palestinians. Why are you censoring and hiding their own views, in their own words? Your ugly anti-Zionist bias is reprehensible. We are obligated to let the facts speak for themselves; we must not censor and delete all information about Arabs that makes us uncomfortable. For shame. Your attempt to deceive Wikipedia readers has been reverted. RK 15:05, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC)

Ah, yes, accusing others of your own misdeeds, the hallmark of fascists.

You know damn well how easy it is to misuse quotes for propaganda purposes if the context is not clearly made obvious to the reader:

• How representative is the quote for the group that is supposedly represented by the person who made it?
• Was this person elected or something?
• Or does he/she belong to some sort of fringe group?
• Or does the representation come from the support this person got from the group in question?
• In what form is this support?
• What was the reason for this support?
• How thought-out is the quote?
• Was it said at the spur of the moment after some kind of (possible traumatic) event?
• Or are similar quotes repeated by this person or others supposedly belonging to the group that is being associated with the quote in question?
• etc.

Despite what you may think guilt by association is not a valid argument, so if you're planning to put a quote in an article, better make sure it comes with plenty of contextual information.

Personally, I think you're disgusting for smearing people in order to make ethnic cleansing look somehow acceptable. -- 213.231.204.211 18:02, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

This is absolutely not the right place to merge Palestinian views of the peace process into. This article describes Palestine - the historic geographical region - and is not the place for Palestinian (or other) views on any peace process. As an alternative, I would suggest either Israeli-Palestinian conflict or Palestinian. uriber 20:08, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Agree with Uriber except that I don't think Palestinian is the right place either. Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the obvious choice, though most of Palestinian views of the peace process is so awful that merging with /dev/null would be even better. --Zero 13:32, 21 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I would like to see the material in this article merged back into the parent article under the section "The Peace Process". If that section becomes too long, it then can be spun out in a separate article, such as The Israeli-Palestine Peace Process. The information serves little purpose in its current isolation.

--Viajero 21:33, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)

From VfD

• Palestinian views of the peace process -- The little of objective value in this rant should be merged with another article and the remainder given a timely burial. -- Viajero 01:31, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • Agreed. The article was created as an op-ed piece and there is no chance that it could ever be fixed. --Zero 04:59, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • Agree. Anjouli 05:40, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • Delete, POV. Daniel Quinlan 04:29, Dec 10, 2003 (UTC)
  • Delete, but most definitely partially merged with another article, such as Proposals for a Palestinian StateLeumi 04:33, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  • Merge JackLynch 05:06, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
    • Angela asked me where I think this should be merged to. I said maybe Palestine, but I want some other input, if anybody has any. Thanks. JackLynch

What is the point of this article?

Why does this article exist? I propose merging what little of it is of value into Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Also, the two external links generate errors on the remote site. -- Viajero 12:24, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I won't complain. -- zero 14:28, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Most recent (from this page)

Actually, after reading a bunch of comments and versions of the article, I think it should be merged into a larger article about the Israeli-Palestinian peace process as a whole. I don't think I can serve as an unbiased mediator, if nonbias is required. If the purpose is to just organize calmer discussions, which I'm not sure it is, then I might still be able to be a mediator. LDan

Wikipedia is a written compendium of human knowledge. Palestinian views of the peace process are not human knowledge because Palistinian views on the peace process vary from palistinian to palistinian.

Individual viewpoints for people can be known, but the viewpoint of a nation is impossible to define.

Therefore this should be a place to dichotomize views of important individuals only. Bensaccount 19:02, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)