Talk:Orthanc
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Page corrected on three issues;
1: Technically, 'The Lord of the Rings' is not a trilogy. It is a single book which was originally published in three volumes due to publisher concerns.
2: Gandalf did not force Saruman and Grima out of Orthanc. In fact, he imprisoned them within it. They left of their own free will after convincing Treebeard to release them.
3: The 'Two Towers' referred to in the book title changed quite a bit as Tolkien considered different possibilities, but eventually a blurb was published at the end of FotR stating that they were Orthanc and Minas Morgul (not Barad-dur and Minas Morgul). -CBD
Death of Saruman?
I didn't read the books, but I saw the movie..
In the film, Grima stabs Saruman, and he falls from Orthanc, impaling himself. Was this bit changed in the screenplay for some reason?
- Yes, it is an invention by Jackson. In the books, Saruman *and Gríma) are allowed to leave Orthanc by Treebeard, and they head to the Shire, where Saruman starts a sort of civil war. Merry and Pippin must actually muster a Hobbit army to kick Saruman's goons out. Saruman then almost repents to Frodo, but is killed by Gríma. See the Scouring of the Shire article. Peter Jackson probably left this part out because it would have confused some movie viewers. User:Anárion/sig 07:40, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)