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Pronunciation
As someone who lives in Oregon, I've never heard another Oregonian pronounce the word "OR-ee-gun". As far as I or anyone else I know is concerned, that, along with "OR-ay-gon", is indicative of a non-resident. Rather, the pronunciation I have always heard is "OR-(shwa)-gun".
- I agree. I did some further reading, and the (shwa) more closely represents the correct pronunciation. What's the best way to represent this so a non-linguist can understand it, "uh?" Dave C. 02:27, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- As someone who also lives in Oregon, I can say this: pronouncing it like the word "Organ", or as "Or-eh-gun" ("eh" being the "e" sound in the words "bet", "pet", etc), is a pretty safe way to not be considered a tourist. (I remember some political commercial during the 2004 election season, showing a board meeting of a fictional company outside Oregon trying to do something bad to it for the company's own purposes (it was some ballot measure); the chairman pronounced the state's name as "Or-ee-gawn", or at least very blatantly incorrectly; I thought that was pretty funny, and a great way to illustrate that this is some outsider and a bad guy.) The "shwa" mentioned by the original person here is a schwa, which is a "generic" vowel sound that sounds roughly like "uh" and can, more or less, be pronounced like any vowel. To not sound like a tourist, though, you shouldn't linger on that vowel sound (like in "Or-ee-gun"). -- Vystrix Nexoth 01:24, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)
- I agree. I did some further reading, and the (shwa) more closely represents the correct pronunciation. What's the best way to represent this so a non-linguist can understand it, "uh?" Dave C. 02:27, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
As someone who also lives in Oregon I've never heard anyone in this state pronounce it any other way but "Or-ee-gun" or "Or-eh-gun" (the "eh" or "ee" is short, not long). There is no "uh" involved. I've talked to relatives and friends from all over the state about this and they seem to agree on this point.
Culture, Identity
Oregonians still have quite a bit of ethno-centrism that stands in the way of cultural progress, in my own personal completely-biased opinion. For example, a great many second- or third-generation white immigrants call themselves native Oregonians despite their total lack of Native American heritage, simply because they are third generation instead of first. At the same time these same people blast newcomers from other states, especially California. Although we haven't seen any "Don't Californicate Oregon" signs in a while, the cultural undercurrent is still quite present.
I'm not sure how to integrate it into the article without creating a big mess :-)
Hopefully, this ethno-centrism is adequately addressed by the section "The state has a long history of polarizing conflicts between its citizens: Native Americans vs. English fur trappers, ...native-Oregonians vs. Californians (or outsiders in general)."
Personally, I think the huge influxing of Californians (and Mexicans, and on and on) into Oregon, for all the problems its caused (e.g. congestion), it will help greatly dilute and diffuse the ethno-centrism. When one's co-workers and friends represent several different races, it makes it tough to maintain a prejudicial stance.
- I was not aware that Oregonian and Californian were ethnicities. ;) --Brion
Never been to Oregon, eh? ;-) -- User:BryceHarrington
In the last few days, I've noticed that people have been constantly adding more cities & towns to this article. Which raises the question: which ones *should* be added -- & why? If we don't agree to some kind of criteria, eventually we will add every one of the 400-odd incorporated communities to this page -- which will make it unwieldly. -- llywrch 20:33 Feb 1, 2003 (UTC)
- I added a few cities, but mostly I just cleaned up the list that was there. I've been wondering this myself; should there be a separate page listing cities only? Or perhaps only list those with populations over a certain number? -- Chuggnutt
Right now we have 22 cities (counting Oregon City) listed. If we were to select the 20 largest Oregon cities (to pick a round number), they would be:
- Portland, Eugene, Salem, Gresham, Beaverton, Hillsboro, Medford, Springfield, Bend, Corvallis, Tigard, Albany, Lake Oswego, Keizer, McMinnville, Oregon City, Grants Pass, Tualatin, West Linn, and Milwaukie.
Hmm. The list on the main page is scattered a little more evenly across a map of Oregon. Maybe we should offer a List of Oregon Cities on a second page, with all 240 incorporated locales. (My earlier number was from memory: this number is from Loy's Atlas of Oregon, 2nd ed.) -- llywrch 22:46 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)
- At List of cities in the United States, there are empty links to articles like List of cities in Oregon -- once the list gets unmanageable, the top five to ten or so should stay here, and the rest be moved there. Tokerboy
- Good idea. I like the idea of having a geographically diverse selection of cities on the main page-- like Porland, Salem, Medford, Bend, etc.-- only listing the top 5 or 10 or so, and then link to the List of cities. I can start filling out the List of cities in Oregon page in the meantime... --Chuggnutt
Well I figure on List of cities in Oregon we should have all, and I've been adding
from the ODOT official map. (I work for ODOT (http://www.odot.state.or.us/home))--Dmsar
And as for the Cal/OR conflict... I am a "native" Arizonan. One of the main resentments
is that Cals spoiled their state and will do the same to ours. Such as big lawns and
swimming pools in AZ in the middle of the DESERT. Also you can sell a shack in California
in a high property value area and almost buy a mansion in Oregon with the proceeds.
This causes the Oregon property values to increase beyond the relatively lower income
property owners' ability to pay the increased tax liability. Forces some people who thought
they were gonna live compfortably to make major changes.
Also historically Oregonians have an independant "quirky" political focus and some of the
Californians want to "re-create" our fine state into a provence of California.
A decade ago as a cashier, I asked for ID for a check and was bitched out by a woman who
said, "In CALIFORNIA we don't have to give you that information". Well I wanted to slap
her and say, "You are NOT in CALIFORNIA, and we DON'T have to take your check. But it wasn't
my store, so I simply seethed. Dmsar 12:57 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Well I finished adding the cities (if you can call population 25 a "city") Dmsar 14:00 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think the hostility towards Californians is mostly a manifestation of the frustration/fear of the happy Eden dweller perceiving an inadequate recognition by the newcomer of the mostly-shared values which made Oregon the place that it is (or was). Many people end up parroting the hostility without understanding its basis. The basis is important, the hostility is not. -- Russell Senior
User:FactionofReds has made some edits that are somewhat POV ('beautiful forests and streams'), and has also eliminated the template. This should probably be reverted, and then the good edits made by F of Reds can be reinstated. •→Iñgólemo←• 20:30, 2004 Nov 11 (UTC)
Origin
If it is true that, as the article says, "the name used for the Columbia River used by the indigenous population was "Aurigon"", why do we wonder about the origin at all? Originally, all of the three NW states were the "Oregon Territory" - they would naturally be identified by their main river. BTW, how should "Aurigon" be pronounced? French? Sebastian 06:50, 2005 Jan 26 (UTC)
- WTF???? Speaking as a native Oregonian & amateur local historian, I have never heard this theory put forth. It does not appear in the authoritative reference of the origin for Oregon names -- Oregon Geographic Names. Inasmuch as the Native Americans did talk with Lewis & Clark (as well as employees of the Hudson Bay Company shortly afterwards), some evidence for this claim would have surfaced long, long before now. Seeing how the contributor comes from an anonymous IP address, & offered no source for this theory, I'm removing this sentence with prejudice. -- llywrch 04:33, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
More errors removed
- "pronounced OHR-a-gun, and not oh-re-gone as many on the east coast seem to believe" -- neither pronounciation is correct, if you want to follow local practice. We natives say "OH-ree-gun". There used to be a decal many University of oregon alumni sported on their cars 10-20 years ago that read "ORYGUN".
- "*Portland also has the largest urban park in the US: Forest Park." Sadly, this is not true: as noted at Forest Park (Portland), this honor belongs to South Mountain Park in Phoenix, Arizona -- although many locals believe otherwise.
At least someone quickly removed that silliness about Salim Stodemire playing for the Lake Oswego Lakers. -- llywrch 20:34, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:U.S. cities without articles
Wikipedia:U.S. cities without articles includes quite a long list of cities in Oregon that don't seem to be filling in very quickly. I suspect many could be solved by a redirect, if only there was someone knowledgeable about Oregonian geography to try. Any takers? Tuf-Kat 03:05, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
- I scanned that article and see many ghost towns. There are also many "locations" that are well known, but I would not call them cities, and some not even towns. Some may have a few houses or just a store. Is that what you mean? To what page would these be redirected? Dave_C.
More on pronunciation
Funny, I was born and raised in Oregon (Estacada), and we pronounced it organ, like the thing they play at weddings and funerals. We always giggled at television ads, "Send $9.95 to Box 3, Portland, OR-UHH-GONE."
Just my $0.02. Maybe we should drop the pronunciation thing.
dino 03:01, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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