Talk:List of works by Beethoven
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It is a bad idea, in my opinion, to have links to titles like Piano Sonata No. 23 in F minor, Opus 57 (Beethoven) when there is nothing wrong with simply Piano Sonata No. 23 (Beethoven) or even Appassionata Sonata. It is unnecessarily complicated, and I can't think of any benefits over more simple titles, so I'm changing all these links (incidentally, see also Wikipedia:Naming conventions (pieces of music), which is where we should probably discuss this if there's any disagreement. --Camembert
OK, I've changed the links. I'm not saying it's perfect, but I'm convinced it's better than linking to elaborate titles with keys and opus numbers always included - much better to go with a title that people can link to without having to look it up (if you see what I mean). In some cases, I think it's pretty academic what title we link to, because the chances of somebody in the forseeable future writing about the song "Der Mann von Wort", op. 99, for instance, is tiny; but for symphonies, sonatas, quartets and other large and well-known works, I do think it's quite important to make things as linkable and as simple as possible. So that (I hope) is what I've done. --Camembert
- I find it confusing to find titles such as Fidelio, Egmont, and Diabelli Variations mixed in with titles such as Piano Sonata No. 8 (Beethoven) and Symphony No. 3 (Beethoven). All works by Beethoven (I think) should be named under the same naming convention. What I was trying to do was create one naming system that would apply to all Beethoven's works. I think we should be true to the names under which they were published or under which they were given by Beethoven. Kingturtle 19:33, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in replying - only just noticed this (must've missed it on my watchlist somehow). You say "I think we should be true to the names under which they were published or under which they were given by Beethoven". I'm looking at the title page of a score of his third symphony (Eulenberg edition, miniature score) and it says "Beethoven - Op. 55 - Symphonie No. 3 - Eb major - (Eroica)." I think we can agree that that wouldn't make a good article title. Similarly, I have a score of the fourth symphony which just says on the title page "Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphonie". This also isn't a good title.
There are probably dozens of reasonable titles one could give these pieces, but there's no need to make them more complex than is necessary (that's why we don't include the "(Beethoven)" unless its necessary - that's standard Wikipedia practice. We don't include "(movie)" after every movie either, unless there's something else with the same name). But as I say, Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (pieces of music) is probably the place to discuss this if you want to continue. --Camembert