Talk:List of Sydney suburbs

No offense to efghij but see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (city names). There will be suburbs in Sydney that exist not only in New South Wales. For example, Auburn is also a place in South Australia. Alex.tan 02:25, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

We should use the current policy for the moment. The page can be changed if the [City, State] format becomes official. Incidently, if you are going to move pages from on namespace to another, please use the "Move this page" link on the left side of the screen, so that the page's history is moved as well. - Efghij 02:36, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Question: How was this list determined? How far does "greater Sydney" extend? Does it extend, e.g. as far as Katoomba or Gosford? What about Wiseman's Ferry (which is not on the list, but which is part of Baulkham Hills Shire?)

One possible solution is to define "greater Sydney" as the "County of Cumberland", but the County of Cumberland is something that just about no one who lives there has ever heard of (unless they like to look up Government surveying records...)

Also, what constitutes a suburb? Is it a postcode? In which case, both the University of Sydney, and Macquarie University, and I assume (but don't know) several other universities, are all suburbs, since they all have separate postcodes... -- Anon.

I think that this article should be moved to "Sydney Metropolitan Area", and information would be added to the article to make it relevant.. e.g... list all subdivisions before the city (just like how U.S. cities are in counties)

I also think that the suburbs should be listed by population, if possible. WhisperToMe 05:58, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Circular Quay and Goat Island are suburbs? Moriori 07:53, Dec 11, 2003 (UTC)

naming conventions

(moved from user talk:clarkk 05:02, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC))

Hi Clarkk, I changed the Regions of Sydney template slightly, to better differentiate between cities and other types of LGA. See my changes to the Sydney page. Do you think I shoud just place the Regions template in the article in place of the long list that I've put there? --Randwicked 10:30, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

hmm, not sure about putting the template in the article, let me think about it. thanks for your updates, by the way. i have been doing some updates to the the LGA of NSW article, trying to get things straight there as well, if you're interested. cheers clarkk 22:24, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Right, I'll take a look. Also, you've moved Randwick and Tamworth, is (town), New South Wales the standard? Because it's been done pretty randomly all over the place. It might take a while to redirect every article that's currently at (town), Australia.--Randwicked 04:46, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

i think it's better and safer to use (Town), (State) format, rather than (Town), Australia, because so many towns names are reused in different states and contributors from one state will only be familiar with the one's from their states. using town, australia, privileges one state's town above another one. obviously some are well known, or are unique, that they can be know without qualification, e.g. Sydney is simply Sydney, not Sydney, Australia or even Sydney, New South Wales, and Wagga Wagga only exists in australia, but for most towns, using the state for the disambiguation is better, ihmo.

although it's not a standard per se, it is in wide use (for example most US towns, use town, state, rather than town, usa), so it could be proposed as a formal standard. i move pages when i see them, but haven't done a systematic search yet. also for some where (Town), (State) already exists and is a redirect to (Town), Australia the redirect needs to be deleted by a sysop before the move can take place. clarkk 08:21, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Naming is important. I mass changed the list of sydney suburbs when it first came out to say (suburb), New South Wales (see old revision (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=List_of_Sydney_suburbs&oldid=1228634) instead of just (suburb) but that change got reverted ... now it's in a mess of (suburb) or (suburb), Australia or (suburb), New South Wales ... *sigh* Alex.tan 10:48, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

i agree it's a bit of a mess. if a suburb is unique to nsw, then it's fine to have it without disambiguation, because it facilitates serendiptious linking, e.g. there aren't too many other warrawee's in the world, if there is more than one anywhere else in the world, then suburb, nsw should be used, but i agree that it should never be (suburb), australia because there are just too many overlapping town/suburb names in australia, and contributors are invariably unaware (myself included) of town/suburbs outside their own states. none of the us towns use (town), united states. so what i'm saying is that a mix of (suburb) and (suburb), nsw is ok, but never (suburb), australia. maybe a sysop could help out with fixing Newtown, Australia back to Newtown, New South Wales. clarkk 12:21, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

With the LGAs of NSW, it might look better to say Albury, City of; Ashfield, Municipality of, etc. so the names are all in a neat column down the left hand side. I changed the As and Bs so you can see what I mean.--Randwicked 05:24, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

good idea, fine by me. clarkk 08:21, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Well, I may have messed things up: I was doing something unrelated and found 'Camden, Australia'; I thought that was silly because no one would find it there, never mind that there is probably more than one Camden in Australia, so I changed it to Camden, New South Wales, but it looked clunky so I changed it to Camden (New South Wales) thinking that would be a better place for a stub. Should it be Camden, New South Wales? Quill 23:22, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

yep, it should be, but it can easily fixed by moving the page (see wikipedia:move a page), i have gone ahead and done it. clarkk 22:58, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Good for you--thanks! Quill 01:05, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Broadway

Somebody removed Broadway saying "not a suburb." Is ther still a PO and postcode for Broadway?

Broadway is a locality, it has postcode 2007. Ref: 1998 Gregory's Sydney Street Directory; Suburn and Localities list --darkov