Talk:List of Swedish monarchs

Eric XI of Sweden and Eric XII of Sweden is the same person. There was an interreign beteen his periods as king. Why should he have two different numbers becuase of this? Seems confusing...Dan Koehl 11:18 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I believe that Eric XII actually is Eric Magnusson who was co-regent with his father - Magnus II. sv:Erik Magnusson When searching at google I see two differnet versions. One that says that Eric XI of Sweden and Eric XII are the same person and another version says that Eric XII is Erik Magnusson. Jeltz 16:56, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)
- Look at Magnus II of Sweden. The author of that article agrees with that Eric XI and XII are differnt people. And Eric XII should get an own article and be added to the lsit in my oppinion. But I'm still looking for some source that I trust that states that Eric XII is EriK Magnusson. Jeltz 17:12, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)
- I think that I will change this now. Encarta shares my view. http://encarta.msn.com/media_701500630/Swedish_Monarchs.html Jeltz 18:32, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)
  - I have now added Eric XII of Sweden. Jeltz 20:00, 2004 Nov 19 (UTC)

The following comment was moved from the article. (The first long paragraph, relatively encyclopedic, was left in but refactored.) - Montréalais

On the spelling of Swedish names: Swedish has been a written language for more than a thousand years, but spelling has not been fixed or stable for more than 70 years. During the 1920s, several words were spelled with ä (a-umlaut, the same character used in German) that are now spelled with e. In 1907 an official spelling reform was made in Swedish schools, replacing "hv", "fv" and some occurrences of "-f" with "v" and "dt" with "tt". For example, the English word "which" is still spelled "hvilken" in Danish, but "vilken" in Swedish - the "h" is silent anyway. During the 19th century, older spellings with "w" and "qv" were replaced with "v" and "kv", respectively. Further back, more changes had taken place. This also effects personal names. For example, the Swedish name "Per" might be spelled "Pär". Most often, one person spells his own name in only one of these ways, but in historic times, the spelling variants could change from one year to another. Swedish king Gustav Vasa in the 16th century spelled his own name Göstaff and various historic documents use Gustaff or Gustaf or Gustave (if in France) or Gustaw. Some Swedish historians have used the convention of spelling kings' names with f and c during their lifetime (Gustaf, Carl, Oscar) and with v and k after their lifetime (Gustav, Karl, Oskar), which is certainly confusing and not in line with any English customs. Add to this confusion that Karl XII is known throughout Europe as Carolus (the Latin form of his name), that John is the English form and Johann is the German form of Johan, and that king Sigismund was also the king of Poland.

Adding a question to this confusing list regarding spellings: Why is Olof Skötkonung´s given name spelled in Norwegian way, Olaf? (A Swedish king, on an English encyclopedia, spelled in Norwegian? Although, instead of babbling about this, it seems wise, that those persons who are interested, tries to find common terms in the way of spelling, and start writing articles about the persons, rather than arguing what they should be called for centuries? My suggestion: unless there is English records, with a certain spelling, why not use the Swedish. (also added some Magnus I, Birger I, and such, although such numbers were never used in Sweden until Eric XIV of Sweden. While starting describing the persons, we might just in the end be able also to name them properly here?

The main purpose of this list (and Wikipedia naming conventions in general) is to avoid duplicate articles for any one person who is known by several names. So if there's no article already, and you know that someone is more well-known by a name that's different from the one on this list, you should just go ahead and change it here (and by all means go ahead and write an article on him if you can). I certainly think it is right to use a Swedish spelling (Olof) rather than a Norwegian (Olav) or Danish (Oluf) form in a list of Swedish monarchs. -- Someone else 03:15 Dec 3, 2002 (UTC)

This Wikipedia is in English, and any English practice should be used. For a Swedish text, I would use the same spelling versions as are used by the Swedish Nationalencyklopedin (http://ne.se/):

Swedish		English			Latin
ne.se			encarta.com
-----------------	-------------------	---------
Adolf Fredrik
Erik XIV		Eric XIV
Fredrik I		Frederic I
Gustaf Wasa	- title of an opera play from the 18th century
Gustaf Vasa	- name of a parish in Stockholm, created in 1906
Gustav Vasa		Gustav Vasa		Gustavus Vasa
Gustav II Adolf	Gustav II Adolph	Gustavus Adolphus
Gustav III		Gustav III
Gustav IV Adolf	Gustav IV Adolph
Gustaf V		Gustav V
Gustaf VI Adolf	Gustav VI Adolph
Johan III		John III
Karl Knutsson		Charles VIII
Karl IX		Charles IX
Karl X Gustav		Charles X Gustav
Karl XI		Charles XI
Karl XII		Charles XII		Carolus
Karl XIII		Charles XIII
Karl XIV Johan		Charles XIV John
Karl XV		Charles XV
Carl XVI Gustaf	Carl XVI Gustaf
Kristian I		Christian I
Kristian Tyrann	Christian II
Kristina		Christina
Magnus Ladulås		Magnus I
Magnus Eriksson	Magnus II
Margareta		Margaret I
Oscar I		Oscar I
Oscar II		Oscar II
Sigismund		Zygmunt III
Ulrika Eleonora

Swedes, other than monarchs:

Carl von Linné					Carolus Linnaeus

Paying subscribers of ne.se can look up "Sverige: Regenter", http://www.ne.se/jsp/search/article.jsp?i_art_id=320855&i_sect_id=491027

Paying subscribers to encarta.com can look up "Royalty(nobility): Swedish", http://encarta.msn.com/find/lists.asp?id=202686

Contents

1 Suiones kings

2 Unresolved naming issues for the Swedish monarchs

2.1 Not wikilinked
2.2 Numbering when there should be no numbering
2.3 Gustavus, Gustav or Gustaf
2.4 Charles, Carl or Karl
2.5 Frederic, Friedrich or Fredrik
2.6 Adolphus, Adolph or Adolf
2.7 Not only a Swedish monarch (naming/number problem)
2.8 Double names

Suiones kings

I guess this is a list of ancient kings over Suiones? Rogper 20:46, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

Moved off the main page. The list should contain a numer of Karls and Erics to account for the numbering of later kings. It shows none. Some kind of source is required to show that this actually is, at least part, of valid list and not just a prank.

318 Vanlandi Svegdasson
329 Visbur Vanlandasson
360 Domaldi Visbursson
381 Domar Domaldasson
402 Dyggvi Domarsson
423 Dag Dyggvasson
444 Agni Dagsson
465 Alrek Agnasson
486 Yngvi Alreksson
Alf Elfsi Agnasson
507 Jorund Yngvasson
529 Ani The Aged Jorundsson
571 Ottar Vendel Crow Egilsson
592 Adils Ottarsson
614 Eystein Adilsson
636 Ingvar Eysteinsson
658 Braut-Anund Ingvarsson
680 Ingjald Braut-Onundss Evilheart
?
Erik
830 Björn i Birka (from Vita Anskarii)

I added Erik and Björn i Birka (Björn from Birca). // Rogper 20:46, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

Moving the following text from the main page. It probably belongs somewhere, not sure where though:

On the spelling of Swedish names: Swedish has been a written language for more than a thousand years, but spelling has not been fixed or stable for more than 70 years.

During the 1920s, several words were spelled with ä (a-umlaut, the same character used in German) that are now spelled with e. In 1907 an official spelling reform was made in Swedish schools, replacing "hv", "fv" and some occurrences of "-f" with "v" and "dt" with "tt". For example, the English word "which" is still spelled "hvilken" in Danish, but "vilken" in Swedish - the "h" is silent anyway.

During the 19th century, older spellings with "w" and "qv" were replaced with "v" and "kv", respectively. Further back, more changes had taken place. This also effects personal names. For example, the Swedish name "Per" might be spelled "Pär". Most often, one person spells his own name in only one of these ways, but in historic times, the spelling variants could change from one year to another.

Swedish king Gustav Vasa in the 16th century spelled his own name Göstaff and various historic documents use Gustaff or Gustaf or Gustave (if in France) or Gustaw. Some Swedish historians have used the convention of spelling kings' names with v and c during their lifetime (Gustav, Carl, Oscar) and with f and k after their lifetime (Gustaf, Karl, Oskar), which is certainly confusing and not in line with any English customs.

Add to this confusion that Karl XII is known throughout Europe as Carolus (the Latin form of his name), that John is the English form and Johann is the German form of Johan, and that king Sigismund was also the king of Poland.

/ Mic 10:47 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be appropriate to merge this list into King of Sweden? --Jao 06:18, 26 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Unresolved naming issues for the Swedish monarchs

Currently there are a number of unresolved issues regarding the naming of Swedish monarchs. This is a brief summation of the most immidiate issues.

Not wikilinked

Halsten (Halsten)
Haakon the Red (Håkan Röde)
Halsten and Ingold I (Halsten and Inge (I) den äldre)
Blot-Sweyn (Blot-Sven)
Ingold I (Inge (I) den äldre)
Philip Halsten (Filip Halsten)
Ingold II (Inge (II) den yngre)
Magnus the Strong (Magnus den Starke Nilsson)

Numbering when there should be no numbering

These monarchs did not use numbering and numbering is not generally used in Swedish.

With Erics, there is a problem if a numeral is not used. Thus, use it. Sverkers, same recommendation.

Canute: he could be King Canute the Great and the second: King Canute the Tall

These two Charlies: either numeral, or "Charles Sverkerson", "Charles Knutson".

John I of Sweden could even be "King John of Sweden", if the only rival be "John III of Sweden" (he USED the numeral).

wally: King Valdemar of Sweden (after all, the only one in known history)

mannes: King Magnus Ladislas, King Magnus Birgerson

Gustavus, Gustav or Gustaf

What spelling should be used. Should consistent spelling be used and if not why.

Gustav I of Sweden
Gustav II Adolph of Sweden (Latin Gustavus Adolphus or Swedish Gustaf II Adolf)
Charles X Gustav of Sweden
Gustav III of Sweden
Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden
Gustav V of Sweden
Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden

Charles, Carl or Karl

Should the English form Charles be used, should the Swedish konvention Karl be used or should the form Carl, commonly preferred by the monarchs themselves, be used. Should consistent spelling be used and if not why.

Charles. This is english Wikipedia. 213.243.157.114 01:35, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Frederic, Friedrich or Fredrik

Should consistent spelling be used and if not why.

Adolphus, Adolph or Adolf

Should consistent spelling be used and if not why.

This is an English Wikipedia material. Thus, English name variants. Consistently. Gustav xx Adolph. Adolph Frederick.

Any other page to redirect to the chief page.

213.243.157.114 01:34, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Gustav II Adolph of Sweden (Latin Gustavus Adolphus or Swedish Gustaf II Adolf)
Adolf Frederick of Sweden
Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden
Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden

Not only a Swedish monarch (naming/number problem)

These also affects naming conventions for other thrones.

Margaret I of Sweden (also a Danish and Norwegian monarch)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Queen Margaret". Simply. (Only one worry: that MIGHT be needed as an ambig.page.) After all, she was the most important of that name. 213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Eric of Pomerania (also a Danish and Norwegian monarch)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Eric of Pomerania".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Christopher of Bavaria (also a Danish and Norwegian monarch)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "King Christoffer".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Charles VIII of Sweden (also a Norwegian monarch)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "King Charles Knutsson".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Christian I of Sweden (also a Danish and Norwegian monarch)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Christian I of Denmark".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

John II of Sweden (also a Danish and Norwegian monarch)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "King Hans of Denmark".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Christian II of Sweden (also a Danish and Norwegian monarch)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Christian II of Denmark".213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sigismund I of Sweden (also a Polish monarch)

Many of the problems are solved by redirect pages, all imaginable versions of the name. As chief page for this monarch, I recommend "Sigismund Vasa". 213.243.157.114 01:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Charles XIII of Sweden (also a Norwegian monarch)
Charles XIV of Sweden (also a Norwegian monarch)
Oscar I of Sweden (also a Norwegian monarch)
Charles XV of Sweden (also a Norwegian monarch)
Oscar II of Sweden (also a Norwegian monarch)

Double names

These monarchs have double names according to Swedish convention. Should it be applied consistently.

Gustav II Adolph of Sweden (Latin Gustavus Adolphus or Swedish Gustaf II Adolf)
Adolf Frederick of Sweden
Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden
Gustav VI Adolf of Sweden
Charles X of Sweden (Carl X Gustaf)
Charles XIV of Sweden (Carl XIV Johan)

Additional naming conflicts exists and should be added. Any comments regarding the naming issues or whether a convention should be consistently applied, and in such an event which? -- Mic 11:45, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Queen Ulrika Eleonora should be "Ulrika Eleanor of Sweden".

Question: why is it Charles VIII? when wear the previous 7 kings of Sweden named that?

I explained this at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)/Archive 3#Monarchical Title (Spain). -- Jao 10:33, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

So am i to understand that which ever form of the name they may have used (Karl, Carl, Charles)....that there were no previous to that before Charles VIII?

Does the infobox used for the Swedish monarchs exist as a template anywhere? Fornadan (t) 13:22, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

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