Talk:History of Egypt
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Shouldn't th history of Egypt be under an article Egypt/History?
No, this is a deep and complex subject and will need sub-pages of its own. Surely worth a topic in its own right. sjc
It will need lots and lots of articles, anyway, if not subpages.
This is a great article so far! --LMS
Yes, I helped canonize the */History bits by all the additions from the CIA World Factbook and now wish I hadn't; I've come to dislike subpages quite a lot--convinced, no doubt, by LMS' arguments. Anyway, but yes, this is a fantastic article. --Koyaanis Qatsi
Shouldn't this article also at least mention the most recent 2000 years of Egypt's history? Wesley
There's a lengthy writeup, in the public domain, here (http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5309.htm) for anyone who cares to go through it and pick bits to incorporate. I don't consider myself qualified for it. Not a historian, Koyaanis Qatsi 15:20, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- I included the text from this source. Kind of data dumping, sorry about that. Need wikification. olivier 07:15, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I have heard that Mohammed Ali (or Mehmet Ali) was actually of Albanian descent (see this (http://www.frosina.org/infobits/mehmetali.shtml)). Is there any truth to this? ¬ Dori 05:32, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)
This is a nice article, especially so since it tries to sum up 6000 years of history in about 10 pages. Some questions follow that I unfortunately don't know the answers to. Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
First off it would be great to have a definition of a dynasty since this is an important concept used throughout the article. Does this mean a pharoah and his son, descending through the male line until an interruption occurs? Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- The Egyptions reached Crete around 2000 BC...
This is the first mention that the united Egyptian kingdom was expanding. Why did it expand in that direction? Do we know?
- ...and were invaded by Indo-Europeans and Hyksos Semites.
They were invaded in Crete, or Egypt itself was invaded? Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- When the box was opened it contained just sludge, all that remains of the Queen.
Was this opening something that happened a few years after she died, or in the 1800's? Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- After this first one, several other Pyramids were built and some abandoned before they were finished.
It looks like something got deleted here. There isn't any mention of a pyramid before this paragraph. Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Sesostris I continued to wage war on Nubia.
This is the first time it's mentioned that there was a war against Nubia, unless the previous mention of "expeditions into Nubia" is meant to mean that a war was initiated and continued for 700 years. Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- His given name was Tutankhaton, but with the resurgence of Amun eh was re-named Tutankhamun.
This is the first mention of Amun -- if there's discussion of a resurgence, can we mention Amun in some way previously? Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
The discussion about the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th dynasties is confusing -- how was it that the 23rd ran concurrent with the 22nd? Was this a power grab with a pretender to the throne? Who was who? Was there an actual war? (unclear.) Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- He died in 526 BC, and one year later in 525 BC Egypt fell under Persian power and Cambyset became the first king of the 27th Dynasty.
Fell under Persian power because of a military invasion? Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
There are a couple of lists in the middle of the article that are there for unclear reasons -- the list starting with Abbas I and ending with Hosn Mubarak (this probably just needs a title), and the 3 lines "Visier Imhotep / Pharaoh Horus Netjerikhet Djzoser / Pyramid of Djzoser". Tempshill 01:13, 18 Nov 2003 (UTC)
This is the first time I have looked at this article. I see that 2,000 years of history from Alexander to Napoleon is summed up in one paragraph. This represents a very 19th century view of Egyptian history, that after the Pharaonic period the country ceased to be of interest until it was discovered by Europeans. Is anybody working on writing a proper history of this period, or interersted in doing so? Adam 03:23, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)
What is the original source for this edit?
I can only find it on various non-governmental sites, rather than the state department as mentioned in the edit summary. Note that this edit caused me to list the History of Arab and Ottoman Egypt as a possible copyright violation. After spending another 30 minutes on it, it seems like I might be wrong, but it would have helped if the original source was listed in the article or at least the edit summary. Daniel Quinlan 09:00, Nov 24, 2003 (UTC)
2000 dynasties?!?!
- "In the two thousand years that followed unification, more than two thousand dynasties rose and fell."
that means each dynasty was less than a year on average. Can a rule that was less than a year even be called a dynasty? -Lethe | Talk 01:01, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
Introducing daughter articles
The six daughter articles should be introduced, not as a self-referential table of contents, but with each link accompanying a summary section on that period. This is not as hard as it sounds - inevitably a summary section needs to be kept short, and thus much content is not present, but for example, the "History of Ottoman Egypt" could at least explain in one or two sentences the fact of Egypt being in the Ottoman Empire (links being important too).
So, I suggest six short sections, of at most a half-dozen sentences each, with the daughter articles being linked to as follows:
- Main article: History of Ottoman Egypt
I'm not going to do this myself, but I thought I'd take a minute to put this here for someone else to do if they so wish.