Talk:Gay rights

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On the Quebec talk page, DW wrote:

My point is that many Wikipedia articles have references to gay rights etc. when the matter in the vast majority of cases is irrelevant to the facts/knowledge being passed on.

DW, would you please give some examples of irrelevant references to gay rights in Wikipedia articles? If I agree that they are irrelevant, I will gladly delete them. I don't want gratuitous promotion of homosexuality, any more than the atheist or other non-Christian contributors want gratuitous promotion of religion. --Ed Poor

Could somebody add some fact about gay right movement in other places? Like that in Europe? --Gboy 17:52, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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It may be useful to consider the discussion/points at Talk:Gay rights timeline and Talk:2004 in gay rights. Thanks Dysprosia 23:25, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Contents

1 True or false?? 2 Uncomfortable with the term "gay rights" 3 Category change 4 Situation in Middle East 5 Gardiner 6 America

True or false??

True or false: there will be far more gay rights if Bush wins than if Kerry wins. 66.245.30.216 20:51, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

God Knows! not suitable to discuss this here. --Yacht (talk) 06:29, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)

Considering that Bush is trying to make a campaign issue out of his push to ammend the constitution so as to preclude gay marriage, I think it's safe to say that if Bush wins, there will be fewer gay rights than if Kerry wins (even if Kerry does nothing). →Raul654 06:40, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)

He is an a*** on this issue! :X --Yacht (talk) 06:53, Jul 4, 2004 (UTC)

I'm not comfortable with the assertion that most members of the gay rights movement believe that sexual orientation is innate and unchangeable. I think it would be more fair to say that while many believe this, many others believe sexual orientation is fluid, and that the adoption of limiting labels like "gay" or "heterosexual" is a response to the demands of our culture. Many believe that the matter of whether sexual orientation is innate is irrelevant. Viewing sexual orientation as innate is important to those who feel they must justify themselves to a culture that for those unwilling to conform to the heterosexual model requires the equivalent of a great big doctor's note saying "Johnny should be excused from being heterosexual. His homosexual condition is innate."

Uncomfortable with the term "gay rights"

The term "gay rights," despite its usage by both mainstream and glbt community media, is inherently discriminatory. It implies that gay, lesbian, and transgendered people are asking for rights not already available to non-homosexuals when, in reality, what is really sought is simply equal protection under the law, the same sort of protection afforded by the prohibitions against discrimination on the basis of race, gender, and religion. If we're going to continue to call it "gay rights" I suggest that the encyclopedia entries on the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s in the U.S. be edited to refer to "black rights." After all, African Americans were only seeking equal protection and services.

That's a good point. I would prefer "equal rights", though I know there are some users who would have a problem with that. Still, I'm all for giving it a go. Also, when you make contributions to talk pages, please follow them with -~~~~ so we all know who wrote it. Thanks! -Seth Mahoney 02:23, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Category change

I parented this article under Category:LGBT civil rights and moved all the category memberships of this article to that category. I'm mostly just trying to cut down on clutter...there's no particular need for this article to be in 2 top-level-ish LGBT categories in addition to the obvious subcategory of each of them. Redoing edit in the hopes that this will seem sensible after being explained. -- Beland 03:26, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Situation in Middle East

In the article it says "As of 2005, Israel is the only country in the Middle East where homosexuality is not illegal or prosecuted by the authorities. " This is incorrect. In Turkey there are many homosexual singers, artists etc. and they are quite open about their sexual orientation, and are not being prosecuted. Admittedly in rural regions it would lead to isolation or honor killings, but I can imagine negative reactions to homosexuals in conservative Israili communities as well. Hence, I am removing this sentence.

Gardiner

"In May 2005, Jeff Gardiner supported the same sex union act by starting a flame."

I pulled out this text because it doesn't seem to make sense. Gardiner is apparently a Canadian U.N. peacekeer. If anyone can re-work this or knows the correct version, please feel free to re-insert it. Thanks, -Willmcw 20:49, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

PS: The entry on Jeff Gardiner may contain substantial fantasy elements (i.e. Nobel Peace Prize recipient). If anyone has heard of this fellow, please add some sources to that article. -Willmcw 23:37, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

America

Is the foundation of our country equality or not? Our forefathers came here seeking that elusive word. It is placed in the Dec of Ind and the Const. It is the core of America and why people come here. By denying GLBT rights we go against america itself. it is inevitable that there will be another gay civil rights movement akin to stonewall.

Thanks. Don't forget that this is an international encyclopedia. Unfortunately the same argument can't be made in every country. -Willmcw 02:17, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)