Talk:Electrical network

Does anyone want me to draw eletric circuit symbols? -fonzy

This article deals with light current networks. What about power networks ie electric power transmission and electricity distribution? Add them here or set up new pages? And I think single line circuit diagrams would help. Tiles 05:34 Apr 28, 2003 (UTC)

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I deleted this paragraph:

"The ground and atmosphere can be used to produce a Phantom Loop circuit, using the ground as a return and atmosphere as a feed. The energy is grounded out and inducted to the circuit again from the Geomagnetism phenonomen."

Perhaps I'll make it into a new phantom loop article, when I've figured out exactly what the term means. -- Heron

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Howdy ... 1st ... currents are measured in amperes [look @ the wki article definition] ... Geomagnetism should be a wikilink to the Earth's magnetic field. 2nd ... The phantom loop is a term from NASA. Please look up the NASA research on the Electrodynamic Space Tethers. A "phantom loop" is the circuit a device uses in an natural environment to complete a circuit. Same thing that most wireless application use. Broadcasting out into the atmoshper and grounding out thus returing to the main circuit. This is shown in the induction of energy, then ultization in the Tether, and then the reemission of the energy into the ionosphere. This can occur on the surface of the earth too.

reddi 15:51 13 Jul 2003 (UTC) ... more later [revision reddi 01:52 14 Jul 2003 (UTC) ]

Thank you for creating the phantom loop article, Reddi. You are mistaken, though, in saying that wireless transmission uses the ground as the return circuit. Wireless broadcasting does not rely on the existence of an electrical circuit between transmitter and receiver. It uses electromagnetic radiation, which can travel through free space just as easily as around a planet. -- Heron

I find the term rather fascinating [especially since it's from rocket scientists =-] I found it in the technical paper on the electrodynamic tether from NASA ... in referencing some wireless transmissions, grounding is the return circuit. You return the energy to the potential of the earth [or ground ... the source of much of our energy here]. you can see it in the early radio patents (patents are neat). In wireless broadcasting, the electrical circuit between transmitter and receiver is the medium between them. This can take several forms [most commonly, solids, liquids, and gases). If it's an alternating system it can form a phantom loop in the air or in the ground [by returnin to the sources transciever]. AND yes ....electromagnetic radiation can travel through vacuum free space just as easily as through a medium. I understand that ... [matter o' fact, the vacuum creates electromagnetic energy ... see the quantum flux and casimir effect ] -- I'll try to wok on the phantom loop article to flesh it out, it's applicablt in alot of things IMO .... more later ... reddi 02:38 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The vacuum giveth and the vacuum taketh away, leaving naught but an effective potential energy, as useful for generating energy as a hole in the ground down which rocks can be thrown. For soon the hole will be full, and soon, the all the world's metal plates will be close together. -- Tim Starling 03:30 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with that 1st part ... the vacuum giveth and the vacuum taketh ... from the potentials and back to the potentials .... as no one can capture energy ... it's always flowing in and flowing out ... it's what you do with it when you have it and how you manipulate it, that matters. But i thought you knew that ....

As useful for generating energy as a hole in the ground down which rocks can be thrown? What? .... hmmm mabey you need to read some real patents on electricity ... perferably Nikola Tesla's, but Edison or Armstong would do ya good ....

[as to the rocks representing the energy potentials] As soon the hole will be filled back in .... and then you take some more out to use =-]....

more later ... reddi 03:40 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Patents aren't exactly Phys. Rev.-quality science. I'll stick to textbooks, research papers and Scientific American, thank you very much. Except if I'm in need of some comic relief -- then I might head over to here (http://www.delphion.com/gallery). BTW it's spelt "maybe". -- Tim Starling 01:43 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Alot of electricity patents are exactly about physics [like the electrodynamic tether patent] ... applied physics ... go theorize all you want .... but when you wanna implement something, read up on how ppl do it. Oh and thank, sorry about the spelling infraction [check the badge] I didn't know the grammar force was here ... reddi 01:51 18 Jul 2003 (UTC) "Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality." - Nikola Tesla

If I want applied physics I'll go here (http://www.virtualjournal.org/japo/), not here (http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wallc/). I'll have you know I topped my class in 3rd year lab, so don't go accusing me of having no grip on reality. Sorry about the spelling correction, I don't usually pick up on people's spelling. It was just annoying me. -- Tim Starling 05:10 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)

If you want applied physics, go to here (http://www.uspto.gov/) or here (http://gb.espacenet.com) or there (http://www.virtualjournal.org/japo/) (among the many other good sources) and try to look up some key terms in there [like electrodynamic] .... BUT definitely don't go to there (http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wallc/).

A "lab" and the "chaos of reality" are 2 different things ... labs have controlled environments ... they are a bit different [i believe ... but i could be wrong]...

Congrates on the achievement though, always a good thing to do good [BTW, that's just a general quote on all of science, not directed @ you personally] .... try to forgive my americanish and spelling flaws also, as most stuff here in talk is done in haste [and sometimes in the articles too]. I can be annoying ... not that i try but i think i come off that way, pardon that too ... reddi 22:39 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)