Talk:Crass
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Ugh! Why are Crass's own words of self-importance on the Crass page? I thought this was an "encyclopedia," not an autobiography.
Would the person who posted the laborious "liner notes" please remove them, or at least edit, edit, edit...
Thank you.
replaced Crass history with a link to external site with the same text.
to those who keep changing the date of crass' formation to 1976, please note the following from their website at http://www.southern.com/southern/band/CRASS/
- "Steve and Penny had been writing and playing together since early '77, but it wasn't until Summer of that year that we had begged, borrowed and stolen enough equipment to actually call ourselver a band....CRASS."quercus robur
But the page of 1976 in music said Crass was recording their demos first before they formed in 1977.
<sigh> thats because some clown who doesn't know what they are talking about has changed it from 1977 in music- again! quercus robur
- I would be interested to know where the apparently persistent idea that Crass formed in 1976 comes from. According to Crass' own biography & website they clearly state that they formed in 77. This is also stated in Penny Rimbaud's autobiography, and their first demo, fragments of which appear on the live part of 'Christ the Album', was recorded in 'summer 1977'. quercus robur 08:26 Feb 26, 2003 (UTC)
- It now says that they formed in 1977 but recorded their first demos in 1976. Unless there's something faulty with my understanding of what it is to "form", this isn't possible, so I'm reverting it. If Michael wants to explain this, he's welcome to do so (but he doesn't seem to be the most talkative fellow, unfortunately). --Camembert
It's true, they really did do their demos in 1976 before they started forming 1977, sir. Do not erase it when I write it again. --Michael
- Where do you get the idea from that Crass recorded demo's in 1976 when according to Rimbaud's autobiography he did not even meet Steve Ignorant until 1977? BTW I'll be speaking to Gee Vaucher later this evening, if I remeber I'll ask and get this matter settled once and for all. quercus robur 19:25 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)
- Micheal- do you know anything at all about Crass? It certainly doesn't look like it, but whether you do or not, please do not attribute abusive comments to myself or camembert, who generally speaking know what we are talking about (I have been personal friends with Crass since 1979) and do not feel the need to become abusive or rude to others or alter other users comments in order to change their content or context. I would advise you also find out a little about your subject matter before making alterations to articles. One more citation for you, from the sleeve of Bullshit Detector volume 1: "Sometime in 1977 Rimbaud and Ignorant started messing around with a song called 'owe us a living'. They ran through it a few times and decided to form a band consisting of themselves. They called themselves Crass".
- Now please either cite a reliable reference that Crass were recording demo's 'before they formed' in 1976 or leave the page alone. Thank you quercus robur 19:56 Mar 8, 2003 (UTC)
- No, there were no demos in 76. Rimbaud & Ignorant DID NOT EVEN MEET UNTIL 1977!!!!quercus robur
- Where did you hear about these 1976 demos, Michael? Perhaps this is an urban myth - in which case Wikipedia should document it... Martin
- More like a Michael myth- if there were an urban myth about a 1976 Crass demo I'm sure I would have heard it, having followed the band since 1978 and known them personally since about 1979. I also did my own internet search, nothing. However if Michael can point us to a reliable source of this urban myth (yes I know that is a contradiction, I'm being tongue in cheek...) I'd be happy to stand corrected quercus robur 18:05 Mar 14, 2003 (UTC)
- OK! Fine! - Michael
micheal, give it up with the 76 demo shit, the joke is wearing thin now. quercus robur
Oh, good lord, Michael has a new name. -- Zoe
Guess you're right. Maybe they did not record demos in 1976. I think they wrote songs in the year. -- Weezer
- Nope. Read my lips, RIMBAUD AND IGNORANT DID NOT EVEN MEET UNTIL 1977!!!!!!! quercus robur 13:27 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
- Penny Rimbaud is a personal friend of mine, and he told me, that's how I know. See also below. BTW, no they didn't write songs before 1977. In Rimbauds autobiography he states that 'So what' was the first song Steve Ignorant ever wrote. Rimbaud may have written stuff before Crass, but that in no way means that Crass existed before 1977. I wrote stuff when I was at school, that doesn't mean I was contributing to Wikipedia in 1977. Geez you are hard work Michael. why don't you just drop it now? quercus robur 18:06 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
- Is this a ploy to get Crass' phone number or something? Sorry but you'll have to take my word that I've spoken to Penny Rimbaud and he's confirmed that, in line with his autobiography, the official Crass website, the sleeves of a number of Crass records and just about everything else ever written about Crass by anybody except Michael & 'weezer', there was no such thing as 'Crass' before 1977. In fact they were originally called Stormtrooper when they first formed, but quickly changed the name as it was 'a bit fascist sounding'. quercus robur 13:34 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
Perhaps Crass and Talk:Crass should be protected... this is getting irritating. -- goatasaur
- I agree quercus robur 21:46 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)
- Me too Slrubenstein
- talk pages shouldn't be protected - unprotecting - and listing on wikipedia:protected page. Martin
- Agreed in general, it was just temporary during a bout of Weezer/Michael attack... got two others to go unprotect, too. -- John Owens
- Hmm, the article page here is listed on Wikipedia:Protected page as "protecting from persistant vandalism", but it wasn't protected earlier today before I did that. Which state should it be in? And shall we change Wikipedia:Protected page to reflect this? -- John Owens 00:00 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)
- Oh, I see, it was you that added it, just then. That clears that up, a bit. -- John Owens
- Michael/Weezer's mum seems to have sent him to bed now, perhaps it's safe to unprotect Crass now? quercus robur 00:05 Apr 15, 2003 (UTC)
- Yes, I'd already done that, now that he seemed to have gone away for the moment. -- John Owens
- Yeah, when you protect/unprotect a page, add/remove it to/from the list. :) Martin
Just to clarify, it appears that Michael/Weezer has signed my name to some of his comments here. I have nothing to do with those comments. It was someone else using my user name. Danny
I've just had a phone conversation with Gee Vaucher during which I asked her whether Pete Wright was ever a member of a band called Trapeze- her reply was not to the best of her knowledge... quercus robur 19:07 17 May 2003 (UTC)
- NB. Just for the record, I've just spent three days at Dial House with ex members of Crass, who confirmed that Pete Wright was definately never in a band called trapeze, he was in 'some folk band' nobody can remeber the name of, but who never made any records or achieved any sort of fame. He was also the only member of Crass ever to have been in a band before being in Crass, apart from Penny Rimbaud and Gee Vaucher who had been in a performance art group called 'Exit'. quercus robur 21:25 25 May 2003 (UTC)
I think this has evolved into a great page! Nice work, everybody! However, I think the second paragraph in "origins" really needs work. Somebody who feels close to it want to edit that? heidimo 18:49, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- BTW I edited down your refernce to Stratford Mercenaries as I thought this would belong more on the Steve Ignorant page or indeed an article on the band themselves if one gets started. Cheers quercus robur 11:26, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ok, I'll have a go at it. I think I'm going to give Thatcher Gate its own article because it belongs under hoaxes.-- Reverend Distopia
Thachergate
I thought I might as well give this its own subject headline.
No one has contributed to this in over a year! Anyone notice the lack of the Thatchergate Tapes? Those should be linked to both Crass and Hoaxes sections! Anyone have access to said tapes? I know they exist.
- I edit this article fairly frequently (certainly within the last year!) and try to keep an eye on it for vandalism, etc- yup the Thatchergate Tapes should definately be included, I've been meaning to integrate them into the text for some time now, but it will probably mean rewriting the relevant paragraph somewhat, so I havn't done it as yet. The text of the tapes is here http://www.southern.com/southern/label/CRC/1238.html feel free to have a crack at adding something yourself!
Ok, I added a Thatchergate link, but the Thachergate article still needs to be added. Are we happy with where I stuck the paragraph? I put it under Direct Action.-- Reverend Distopia