Talk:Collation
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How widely accepted is the sort of Spanish "ch" and "ll" as if they were two letters? The linked page credits the Royal Spanish Academy; do Spanish-speakers outside Spain follow their lead? Vicki Rosenzweig, Thursday, June 20, 2002
Note: Wrt. collating sequences there seems to be a duplication of effort between Latin alphabet and Collation. Perhaps it would be best to move everything about also callation of latin alphabets to "Collation"? -- Egil 20:57 May 5, 2003 (UTC)
When I briefly did a stint as a library assiant ~1985, I was taught that in the dollation of last names 'Mc' always alphabetized as 'Mac'. Thus 'McCarthy' comes before 'Mary'. Is this practice still standard and is this the right place to reference it? JRP 16:44, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Not for all applications. Windows won't sort filenames that way. But the general practice is considered to be a sub-topic of "tailoring", which adapts the collation to specific needs. Compare the chapter "5.1 Preprocessing" in Unicode Collation Algorithm (http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr10/) Pjacobi 17:05, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Evolution of collating order
How does a collating order evolve for a writing system? I'm slightly surprised that (e.g.) Latin has such a consistent ordering, not varying on a regional basis.
It seems to me that having a fixed order would be terribly useful as soon as you have any sort of bureaucracy, which seems to be one of the main drivers for having writing in the first place. Also, an ordering appears to be useful when teaching writing (see abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz), which I'd have thought would also be essential pretty early on to the spread of writing.
But these are just my speculations -- it might be nice to have a section summarising what's known about this topic. (I haven't researched it myself beyond a bit of Googling.)
JTN 20:34, 2004 Sep 22 (UTC)
- Maybe this is a discussion better suited at Alphabetical order, which currently has an inconclusive disc at the Refrence Desk. --Menchi 22:53, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Here: Wikipedia:Reference desk#Who invented alphabetical order?. You're right. These 2 articles are quite repetitive of each other. --Menchi 02:19, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- (NB discussion now archived at Wikipedia:Reference desk archive/September 2004 II#Who invented alphabetical order? -- JTN 20:07, 2004 Oct 11 (UTC)))
Merge with alphabetical order
I merged alphabetical order into this page, as was suggested on the duplicates page. Alphabetical order contained was consisted mostly of example and there was very little non duplicate information, so I thought a simple redirect would do. I added the mention of Roman numerals, contained in the alphabetical order article but not in Collation to the Numerical sorting of strings category. Comments and criticism welcome as usual; I know I tend to be pretty radical with my merges.
--Phils 16:27, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)