Talk:Chinese calendar
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- A Winner of the August 2004 West Dakota Prize
This entry has won the West Dakota Prize for successfully employing the expression "legend states" in a complete sentence.
In this article, it gives a story about why the cat isn't on the calendar, under "Twelve Animals." Namely, the rat pushed the cat into the water during a competition to be the animals on the calendar -- the cat wasn't able to make it to the shore so he was left out. However, in Chinese_astrology which is linked to from this article, it says the rat was given the job of making invitations, and he didn't invite the cat. Which is true? -- anonymous
There are many different variations to the legend. Both are, in a sense, true. -- Anonymous
someone should copyedit this page. -- voidvector
Why are the Jie Qi specified as date range? I thought all these are used by Chinese farmers to mark certain points in the farming cycle. So the date should be used, not a range. Kowloonese 01:53, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)
This is unclear to me: "The Chinese lunar calendar and the Julian Calendar OFTEN sync up every 19 years. Most Chinese people notice that their Chinese and Western birthdays OFTEN fall on the same day on their 19th, 38th birthday etc" "Often" or DO "sync up"? Do they or don't they fall into sync on that pattern, and if sometimes not, is there a pattern to the exceptions to the pattern??
They often synchronize, but not always, because of the patterns of leap months in the Chinese Calendar and leap days in the Gregorian.
"The Chinese zodiac is completely different..." Different from what? The Western zodiac? And why is the Western zodiac referenced at all here-- I get the feeling that "Western astrological sign" is getting mixed up with "constellation" in the description of Chinese month sequencing.
The Western Zodiac is referenced because it fits in with the principal solar terms of the Chinese calendar and so makes the Chinese calendar easier to explain to Westerners who are familiar with their zodiac, but not the principal terms.
The sun enters a sign of the western zodiac at exactly the same time as a principal solar term.
User:Karl Palmen 7 Jan 2004
The date ranges for the jieqi have been changed to single dates, and the ecliptic longitude of each jieqi has been added.
Joe Kress 02:19, 2004 Mar 29 (UTC)
Seems to me the pinyin "Zhong Yang Jie" should be "Chong2 Yang Jie", since the meaning is "double". That's how it's listed at zhongwen.com.
- It appears that the neither Zhong nor Chong should appear under "English Name", but that both "Double Ninth Festival" and "Double Yang Festival" should appear (yang doesn't have a direct English translation but it is an entry in its own right in the Oxford English Dictionary and is at least familiar to English readers via the dichotomy yinyang). However, under "Chinese Name" you might be right. Zḥng was added by 204.221.24.132 on Nov. 1, 2003 and was never changed. 重 is romanized into pinyin as either zhong4 (zḥng) or chong2 (chóng) according to both zhongwen.com and mandarintools.com, so that both appear to be equally correct. However, as you note, zhongwen.com does use chóng in the specific entry for 'double nine' 重九. However, that is not the 'double yang' 重陽 in the article. I don't have any idea whether that makes a difference. Perhaps this is a matter of euphony--what sounds pleasing to the Chinese ear, or what is most easily pronounced in concert with neighboring characters.
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Joe Kress 05:44, Jul 17, 2004 (UTC)
- A quick survey of "Double Ninth Festival" on Google provides no doubt that you are right--the correct pinyin is chóng, thus I will change the article. On another point, yang is almost always used for the second character, not jiu (nine), thus the second character under "Chinese Name" is correct. However, the preferred English translation is Double Ninth Festival, Double Yang Festival only being used for explanation, thus the entry under "English Name" is correct.
Joe Kress 23:46, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
- A quick survey of "Double Ninth Festival" on Google provides no doubt that you are right--the correct pinyin is chóng, thus I will change the article. On another point, yang is almost always used for the second character, not jiu (nine), thus the second character under "Chinese Name" is correct. However, the preferred English translation is Double Ninth Festival, Double Yang Festival only being used for explanation, thus the entry under "English Name" is correct.
Korea
The article says regarding the Korean Calendar that "Korea was a vassal state of China" which is the Chinese version of history which for some unfortunate reason seems to have become the Western version.
- So suggest an alternative wording which acknowledges the fact that the Korean court accepted the new Chinese calendar every year with great pagentry, which, as far as the Emperor of China was concerned, was an acknowledgement by the King of Korea that the Emperor of China as more important than he was. Or was this a sham ceremony, having no real meaning as far as the King was concerned, conducted only to keep the Emperor happy? If the King had not accepted the Emperor's calendar, or at least seemed to accept it, it would have been a sign of rebellion by the King. — Joe Kress 08:12, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC)
- I've changed the wording to something I hope is more accurate. "Vassal state", if used in a technical sense rather than a derogatory sense, implies an obligation on the superior state to militarily defend the lesser state in the case of an attack. I don't believe China recognized such an obligation. technopilgrim 20:28, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I have my doubts about the phrase "while shutting off relations with all other countries." I suspect that Korea maintained diplomatic relations with some other countries or regions or people who also had close relations with China. Though Korea may not have had diplomatic relations with other countries that were not closely aligned with China, they probably had some kind of relationship with them. — Joe Kress 06:56, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)
why can't i find the date of chinese new year here
without being a mathemetician? perhaps i will give up on this site for not being useful. i didn't know it was written by whoever comes here, no verification of facts posted. not exactly an encyclopedia simply because of that, as real encyclopedias cite the names and QUALIFICATIONS of their contributors. maybe i should post the wrong info to get this problem solved.
- How about looking at Chinese New Year? andy 22:20, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- There is a longer list of new year dates at Chinese astrology. Regarding your comment about the QUALIFICATIONS of the contributors to wikipedia, I guess the website is not what you are looking for because it is not written by one specific person. However, writings of any contributor are often challenged and debated by other contributors. You probably can try your idea here. Post some nonsense and watch how long you will survive here. Kowloonese 01:33, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)