Talk:BBC One

Contents

1 Mickey Mouse 2 Rename? 3 BBC Writing Style Guidelines 4 BBC ONE links 5 Red+White Dancing links

Mickey Mouse

I personally find it highly amusing that they bothered to resume the Mickey Mouse cartoon of 1939 when they resumed transmission in 1946 as few would even remember what had last been shown when they went off air seven years previous! "Only in the UK..."

PMelvilleAustin 05:58, Oct 16, 2003 (UTC)

It wasn't so much for the benefit of the viewers - it was really symbolic, showing that this was still the same BBC Television Service, picking up and continuing as before. There was some debate internally about the move, particularly as it was felt that the particular cartoon was more dated than others (it apparently spoofed some movie stars who had since fallen out of popular view), but it was felt important, for the morale as much as anything else, to provide a stubborn sense of continuity to what had gone before. Angmering 21:31, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Rename?

This should be moved to "BBC One". Writing it all in capitals is just an affectation. The letters ONE are a word, not a set of initials.

Andy G 16:40, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

But that's their official way of writing it so I think it should stay. Angela 17:03, Oct 3, 2003 (UTC)

me too jimfbleak 17:06, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It's only the way they write it at the moment -- no doubt they'll change the style next time they relaunch the BBC house style. Arwel 17:35, 3 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I wasn't actually voting on "BBC ONE", though it's true I do think this all-capitalised style is a bit of an affectation. It's just a style thing the BBC have currently got, and I have no doubt that sometime within the next 10 years they'll rebrand their channels again to a more sensible BBC One or BBC 1. To my mind the numeric form of channel name seems more natural, but that's probably because I can remember when they first started having two channels, and they've used a digit for all except the last few years! :) I think if we were having a vote on channel names I'd settle for BBC One or BBC 1, but ONE makes no sense as it doesn't represent an acronym. Regards, -- Arwel 00:04, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC) (Written originally on User talk:Angela - moved here by Angela.)

The spelling "BBC One" is even widely used on the BBC's own website (e.g. [1] (http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/channels/bbc_one.shtml), [2] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3192307.stm)). --Wik 22:20, Oct 16, 2003 (UTC)

Use of capitalisation is in many cases an important feature in defining corporate or name identity. For example, there is no such organisation as the True Catholic Church but there is an entity called the true Catholic Church, its lower cap t indicating an important factual analysis of itself, that it believes it is the true Catholic Church, not a separate catholic church with the word true being given equality in its title. BBC ONE, not BBC one or BBC One is the name of the station formerly BBC1. Writing BBC One is as wrong as writing United states of america or Coca cola. Its name is unambiguously BBC ONE and nothing else. If you are using the formal name of an organisation, you should use its capitalisation. In Ireland, for Nato (which is generally written as such in Europe) is the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. NATO is a different national organisation associated with tenants. Proportional Representation is a formal voting system, proportional representation is a broad collection of electoral systems who share principles of proportionality. SimilarlyNatWest is universally recognised as what used to be called the National Westminister Bank, Natwest is unrecognisable to most. Organisations use capitalisation to create a brand identity behind a word. If wikipedia is referring to that brand, it should recognise that fact, and not treat a brand identity which carries with it a recognition factor as merely a word. If Colgate calls itself that, we shoudn't decide that we for our own reasons want to call it cOLGATE. If Britain's main TV station calls itself, BBC ONE that is what we should call it, just as we should write about the true Catholic Church in articles, etc. Encyclopædias are based on reality, not fictionalising brand names to push an agenda. The suggestion that use of capitals is just a presentation choice is patiently absurd. FearÉIREANN 20:51, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC) (Written originally on Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions - moved here by Angela.)

I have to disagree. Many organizations like to write themselves in all capitals. This is not usually followed by others if it's not an acronym. For example, a German newsmagazine invariably refers to itself as DER SPIEGEL, but everyone else says Der Spiegel. --Wik 23:55, Oct 16, 2003 (UTC)

The BBC's own documentation frequently writes "BBC One" (the Annual Report does so consistently); its Teletext services write "BBC1". No-one is disputing what the channel calls itself (it would be wrong, for instance, to call it "BBC Channel One") -- only whether we need slavishly to follow every typographical change to its on-screen logo. What next? Are we going to have to change all references to the network that shows "Coronation Street" in Britain to read "itv"? -- Picapica 20:13, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It's ITV1 and that's the way it is written on the ITV website [3] (http://www.itv.com/) So no.Mintguy (T) 22:01, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

My point precisely. It's "ITV1" -- even though the on-screen logo is written "itv1". And it's "BBC One" [4] (http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/channels/) -- even though the on-screen logo is written "BBC ONE". (By the way, ITV2 also shows "Coronation Street".) -- Picapica 09:24, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The naming of this page is not dependent on the on-screen logo. But how the BBC names the station in general. To be specific, as it is presented here http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcone/

"BBC ONE" isn't "how the BBC names the station in general" though, is it? It's how the BBC writes the name sometimes; as often as not it writes "BBC One" -- see [5] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/3889153.stm) [6] (http://www.bbc.co.uk/whatson/). I still can't see any good reason for being more purist about this than the BBC itself. -- Picapica 13:10, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I totally vote for this being moved to 'BBC One'. The BBC are very inconsistant about whether they use capitals or not (see list below) and capitals (at least having the entire name in capitals) when it is a normal word are very rarely followed by others.

All capitals:

• BBC ONE
• BBC TWO
• BBC THREE

Initial capitals:

• BBC Four
• BBC News 24
• BBC Parliament

No choice about whether to use all capitals:

• CBBC

Compounds:

• CBeebies (also the only one whose logo is not all in capitals)

There is a difference between text in a logo and body text.

There is very often a difference between how an entity's name is written in a logo and how it appears in body text. There are many examples of this. Amnesty International is written as such, although its logo is in lowercase (except, oddly, in Germany, where poor understanding of capitalization presumably led to the official term being "amnesty international"!), and in recent years many high-tech companies have used unusual capitalization in their logos; for example the defunct software company Asera had a logo that read "AserA". Many, many company logos are written in uppercase, but you drive a Toyota, not a TOYOTA, drink Pepsi, not PEPSI, and watch a Sony television, not a SONY. Likewise, stylish logos are sometimes in lowercase, but you still have a Vodafone or Orange mobile phone, not vodafone or orange. And although its logo is written as "ebaY" the online aution house is written "eBay" in text.

BBC One appears as BBC ONE in its logo and usually in headings on BBC websites, where emphasis is required (this appears to be the BBC's house style), but otherwise in body text it is written "BBC One" — which is how it should be written here.

The following official link should clear things up: It contains the logo, headers including the term written in capitals, and body text written as "BBC One": [[7] (http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/channels/bbc_one.shtml)]

 --ProhibitOnions 11:58, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC)

BBC Writing Style Guidelines

You may be interested in this, the official line on capitalisation...

"In large areas of text ... and in picture captions, BBC brands are written in upper and lower case (eg BBC One), except CBBC which is all capitals. Television channels are written in words rather than numbers, except BBC News 24."

"In display adverts and posters, BBC brands ... should appear in capitals (eg BBC ONE). In press releases, television channels should appear in capitals, but all other services should be in upper and lower case, eg BBC News."

Tom- 20:49, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Many thanks for finding that, Tom. I propose, on the grounds that a Wikipedia article is neither an advert nor a poster (and nor is it a press release), that this page be moved to "BBC One". -- Picapica 15:20, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I agree. Anyone going to do the honours?

BBC ONE links

Now that the page resides at the much more pleasing 'BBC One', is there any way someone can run a link-fixing Bot to change all the BBC ONE links in pages to BBC One ones? There are rather a lot of them... I'm afraid I know very little about bots, by the way, but from what I do know I believe this ought to be a possible and appropriate use for one? Angmering 12:42, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Red+White Dancing links

Is there a definitive list of these links anywhere, and are they chosen depending on the next programme? --Phil | Talk 09:23, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)

The original eight - Acrobats, Ballet (very, very rarely used, except in the Midlands where it's used into the local news), Capoeira, Festival (the "rave" one), Haka, Hip Hop (wheelchairs), Salsa, Tap Dogs. Added later, in this order: Music Video, Bollywood, Tango, Tai Chi, Tai Chi reflection version (since withdrawn), Skateboarders, Maasai. And two versions of the Christmas ident, one with the children descending from on high, and the other without. Capoeira exists in two edits, and a still version is the backup ident in case the server fails. (There's also a clock which uses the capoeira still as its background, but it has never been used and almost certainly never will.) They are used to a certain extent depending on the next programme - they don't use Festival into the news, for example. Bonalaw 15:57, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Actually, I should add that technically speaking there's twice as many as that, since they all exist in versions with and without the Subtitles flag. Bonalaw 16:03, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Cheers. Just a couple of queries: is "Capoeira" the two blokes fighting on top of the skyscraper, and is "Music Video" the dancing girls who all bear a vague resemblance to Louise? --Phil | Talk 16:12, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)

Very vague, in the case of the black one. ;-) But yes, right on both counts. Bonalaw 17:57, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)