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This now combines the articles that were formerly at "ambient", "ambient music" and "ambient techno": in spite of the different names, they were all about the same subject, ambient music. So, I've moved them all here. They now need merging/copyediting. The Anome 10:12 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I'm glad somebody finally combined all the ambient articles. I think we should take the last three paragraphs and organize the other facts into them, because they seem quite well-organized and comprehensive, they just need more details. Pema
In a previous iteration of the "Ambient electronica", an anonymous contributor wrote this:
- As far as I know, no one has made an entire album out of this, but a good examples of this is Radiohead's song "Treefingers."
about "Unmeasured [soundscape]". As questions shouldn't be in a Wikipedia article, I moved it here. Can anybody define this subgenre of ambient and/or suggest an answer? I was also going to suggest Nobukazu Takemura as an example of this subgenre. -- Lexor 17:29 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)
In my (and my friends') humble opinion 'conventional' ambient doesn't really make sense. It's just very soft DnB, or soft techno. And I wouldn't call the music done by artists like Jarre and Moby ambient... Guaka 21:48, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I think it makes sense to give new age music its own page, because it is distinct from ambient as a genre. Ambient and new age are 2 separate subgenres of electronic music. heidimo 21:00, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- You are right, it probably doesn't deserve to be considered a subgenre, but these artists should be discussed as part of the history of ambient music, because there is considerable overlap in the styles. Actually, New Age music does have a separate section. I moved the separate genre back to the history section, because it's really part of the history of the second wave of ambient music than an ambient genre per se.
- Lexor, it makes more sense now--looks good. I tweaked the language a bit in that new age/history paragraphy in an attempt to make it less awkward. The "new age" link in the paragraph goes to a general new age page, though, and not to a music page, like your link above does. I must admit I'm not fond of that clunky chart, though it does serve a purpose. heidimo 23:28, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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Ambient in Electronic styles list
Lexor,
With all due respect, ambient dub is a different sub-genre than dub. Same goes with ambient house, etc. I see plenty of other minor distinctions in other sections. heidimo 04:22, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- I agree that ambient dub is different to dub, but we did an agglomeration of most of the ambient articles a while ago, since most of the descriptions for the subgenres were sub-stubs, and also ambient dub, ambient house articles don't exist as yet. What I plan to do is to add summary information to the main ambient music, then add Main article: ambient house under the title (see for example the progressive music page for an example of how this is done, there wasn't enough info to justify extra articles for progressive house, progressive techno etc. so they appear in the main article, but there was enough for progressive rock) if the article is more than a stub. I'm sorry if I jumped the gun somewhat and you were about to create those articles. --Lexor 08:31, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- Lexor, I was about to create those. I'm a new contributor, so I'm a little unclear about the conventions sometimes. I created a new ambient groove article, but then thought from what you said that it would be more appropriate as part of the ambient article, so I moved it over there. But of course, the link doesn't go there. As far as the list goes, I thought it should be as complete as possible, but link to the sections in the ambient article, rather than individual articles on every sub-genre if that's what you're suggesting. heidimo 19:36, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Organic and nature ambient
I'm inclined to think these two subgenres are really the same. What do others think? heidimo 16:13, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- There is a pretty clear distinction between the two, even if they do have samples from nature in common. Sanctum 06:19, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Quick additions
Hello All
I just had to include other influences, such as; reggae, traditional, world music- all having their role in shaping ambient soundscapes.
Also a little input on the dub masters of old who were first to "play" with post producing sound effects dub-echoe-delay etc. which has greatly influenced the electronic sounds and styles of today. I can add later some contemporary ambient dub artists.
Ben3rdEye 2005/02/02
Dark Ambient
There is an entry on dark ambient here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_ambient Which should probably be merged into the ambient definition. Dark ambient is a pretty large subgenre of ambient but it still belongs under the definition of ambient. The article could use some clarifications, mostly about it's origins. Any objections to moving the dark ambient entry over here?
Also, I'd like to add mention of Tangerine Dream. They had huge influences on ambient even if they were never called ambient themselves. Sanctum 06:24, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)