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Contents

1 Anschluss nomination removed 2 Signed submissions 3 Beowulf 4 Extremely important problem! 5 Brilliant Prose revisited 6 Two submissions 7 When was Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) promoted?

Anschluss nomination removed

to Raul654: May I ask why this nomination was removed, although all objections have been adressed? As it was just behind the nomination for the Yom Kippur War and this article is now under Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log/June 2005 I am a little bid irritated. Themanwithoutapast 02:01, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

After 6 days on the FAC, it had (as I saw it) 1 support (Martg76), and 1 objection (Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus) --- not consensus. If you want, I can put this nom back up for a few days, and see if it gathers a few more comments. →Raul654 02:13, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

The objections of Piotrus have been addressed 5 days ago, however he has not responded yet. So I would appreciate it to have the article back up as a FAC. Thx. Themanwithoutapast 01:44, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Signed submissions

Proposal: As we have in VFD, only registered users should nominate and vote here.

I've seen some nominations by anons and unsigned ones. While that itself is not a big problem if the article is good, I fear that if we have to discuss certain issues, we won't know who we are dealing with especially if s/he has a dynamic ip address. Also, that person might not make a commitment to addressing reviewers' objections if he is a casual visitor. To save everyone's time and energy, it would be best if only signed and registered users nominations appear here.  =Nichalp (Talk)= 11:12, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

No, I disagree. There's no reason why anons shouldn't be able to make nominations here, provided they sign. Generally speaking, anons are rare enough that if one particular article gets multiple comments from several nearby IPs, we'll know its the anon (proveded he signs his comments). →Raul654 16:54, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Beowulf

I am trying to help an anonymous user nominate this article. Something does not seem right, though. Please help out.--Wiglaf 09:42, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've just changed the heading level - I think that's what you were thinking of. violet/riga (t) 10:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Thanks! :)--Wiglaf 10:17, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Extremely important problem!

Apparently, template:ref and template:note no longer works. Numerous featured articles have been "broken" (for lack of a better word) by this. I scheduled libertarianism (which uses the templates) for Monday, so I'd appreciate it if someone could fix the problem soon. →Raul654 16:56, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Looks like a MediaWiki problem, not a template or CSS one. I have commented in more detail at your talk page. --cesarb 17:48, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I can confirm the fix to this bug is what caused the problems. It's now implemented so that templates are not expanded within attributes at all. This is simple, easy to implement and understand, and wrong. JRM · Talk 22:02, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)

Ouch. I thought it had been changed so that some ordering was different, like scrubbing the HTML after the template expansion, or something like that. The MediaWiki parser seems to be a real problem... --cesarb 22:36, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What needs to happen is that intrinsic events called through templates are disabled. I can speak with total disregard, as I don't have to implement this... Perhaps they can add something to put in a character entity code wherever an intrinsic event term crops up where not put in there by Mediawiki.

smoddy 22:45, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's simpler than that; all " and ' characters found anywhere when expanding a template or a template parameter within an HTML attribute should be escaped to " and '. The hard part is to know when you are within an HTML attribute, since the parser is based on text matching and thus does not know its context. Brion has answered on his talk page, and said it's being tracked as bugzilla:2309. --cesarb 23:23, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I changed libertarianism to the suggested list format for References, which makes it look better. The crosslinks for the references and notes are still broken because the generated id= fails, for reasons mentioned here. (SEWilco 03:58, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC))

I changed it into an ordered list, and sorted it so the autogenerated number for the note and the reference number match. I believe Template:Tl and Template:Tl were meant to be used this way. --cesarb 13:59, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You are correct; matching autogenerated Template:Tl link numbers with Reference list numbers is the best way to use Template:Tl until an equivalent Citation tool exists. Helpful would be WikiSyntax for an anchor (easier to restrict than transclusion within HTML), but I'm not finding on MediaWiki an "article anchors wanted" discussion; [1] (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Anchors) [2] (http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1521) [3] (http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1420) (SEWilco 20:11, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC))

Brilliant Prose revisited

I still feel there needs to be some mechanism to recognise excellent articles that aren't/can't be featured, since certain articles are apparently beyond consideration for FA status. Exploding Boy 17:06, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

I'm curious - what do you mean by articles that can't be featured - without intending to provoke (yet another) argument, it's been pretty much decided that any VFD-survivable article can be featured, even if it shouldn't go on the main page. →Raul654 17:47, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

I took it to mean articles that don't necessarily meet all of the criteria for becoming an FA, like missing references or images. But, I don't know of any reason why an article with brilliant prose couldn't be made into an FA eventually. I see the recognition as someone coming along to add the missing requirements and getting the article featured. slambo 18:10, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

m:Instruction creep. Let's not make this too complicated, eh? smoddy 18:19, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Two submissions

I want to submit two related articles at one go. The problem is that the boundaries between the two articles are vaguely defined and some content of the two articles will overlap. Indian Railways (the only railways in India) and Rail transport in India. [Work on both articles unfinshed as of now]. How do I feature both?  =Nichalp (Talk)= 19:09, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

I suggested you get one finished (with well established boundaries as to what is should or should not contain), then work on the other, before nominating either. →Raul654 20:02, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)

When was Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) promoted?

In looking through WP:FA, I noticed Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) in the list as one I hadn't seen there before. I don't remember seeing this one go through the nomination process and I don't see anything in the Featured Log for it. When was this article promoted? slambo 13:46, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

The article talk page says they hope to work it up to featured status, mabye someone over enthuastic added it to the list.--nixie 13:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• The when was Jun 11, 2005 (as shown in this diff (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AFeatured_articles&diff=15023819&oldid=15017628)). As it appears to not have gone through FAC first, I have been bold and removed it from the list. --Allen3 ^talk 14:12, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, that's what I thought had happened. slambo 14:29, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)