User talk:AxSkov
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Welcome!
Hello Axel, welcome to Wikipedia. You might like to start by reading the tutorial and introducing yourself at the new users page. You can sign your name using four tildes (~~~~) and you can preview your changes before you save using the show preview button. You can regularly find new tips on the Community Portal. If you have any questions, you can ask at the help desk or on my talk page. I look forward to reading your great articles and I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian. :) Angela. 07:44, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
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Spelling
We don't make a preference of one spelling system over another. Please don't Move articles, especially, just because you think the spelling should be different. I will be reverting List of Defence Ministers of France. RickK 06:48, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
Do not edit a page simply to "correct" the spelling in either direction.. If you do, I will revert it again. DO NOT DO ANY major changes like this without dsicussing them first. RickK 07:00, Oct 18, 2004 (UTC)
I apologise for RickK's rudeness. He lacks tact. Basically on Wikipedia, to avoid reactions like this, we leave spellings the way the original author wrote them. Only in country (or culture) specific articles do we favour one spelling over another. So we use Australian English on Australia, but US English on New York, for example. By the way, welcome (belatedly) to Wikipedia, from a fellow Aussie :) - Mark 07:06, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- It's not really technically 'wrong' as such. Some Americans just get irritated when they have to face the harsh reality that their cultural influence does not affect every aspect of life around the entire world. - Mark 07:42, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- If I were you I would just leave the spelling. It's an ambiguous case. But no, RickK does not have the authority to just ban you based upon a spelling dispute. There are other mechanisms in place to help resolve such disputes. - Mark 04:20, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- The "reverted edits by..." edit summary is automatically inserted when a sysop/administrator uses the rollback feature, which rolls back to the old version of the page, which is most useful in cases of vandalism (it's a lot quicker than reverting manually). Regular users can't do this, they must apply for adminship on RfA, which is now usually only granted after more than 5 months of editing and over 1500 or 2000 edits. - Mark 01:06, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Ignore RickK and be bold! Nelson Ricardo 00:27, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)
Review request
Hi :) If you have a few minutes it be great if you could have a look at West Papua and the re-name proposal at the bottom of its discussion page. Any input, edits, or opinions be great. I've always tried to ensure there was an abundance of supporting evidence before adding content, and avoid emotive wording; I welcome different opinions, just wish they would explain what it is they disagree with. All Best :)Daeron 06:02, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Palatal nasal
I am reorganizing the sections on language examples in each of the consonant articles (trying to make them all fit the same format), and I noticed the English language example, canyon, you added on palatal nasal. Is that an Australian pronunciation? I'm not sure I've ever heard it pronounced that way (by the way, I'm from the US). I just wanted to make sure before I move things around. Thanks. CyborgTosser (Only half the battle) 10:18, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- That surprises me, because I watch American programs on TV (there are alot on our TV channels) and to me that's how Americans pronounce canyon, just as we do here in Australia. This is definitely a correct pronunciation (if not for North Americans) from both Australian & British dictionaries that I have. If your confused about the two different pronunciations, one is the broad transcription (between the slashes) and the other is the narrow transcription (between the square brackets). Could you give me an example of how Americans pronounce canyon from a dictionary using IPA? -- Kind regards, AxSkov 14:29, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I'm used to hearing either [kænjən] or [kænjn̩]. My dictionary gives kan'yən, which could be either of the those (American dictionaries are weird about ə, they think everything is a ə). I don't think Americans generally pronounce Spanish ñ correctly, even when speaking Spanish, much less for loanwords. Even in Spanish class in high school, I was taught to pronounce Spanish ñ as [nj], not [ɲ]. CyborgTosser (Only half the battle) 19:51, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I'm having a hard time finding an American dictionary that uses IPA. Neither Websters New World or American Heritage use IPA. Both, by the way, give only one pronunciation, but I guess that doesn't really mean anything, considering it's a wide transcription. Since I have to rely on my own observations, I decided to write the word down and ask several of my friends to speak it. I got a sampling of dialects from the midwest (myself), the southwest, the northwest, Hawaii, and a non-native speaker (Vietnamese). Everyone said [nj], except the guy from the southwest, who occasionally said something closer to [ɲ]. So I can say now that I've heard it pronounced as you indicated, although it would appear that at least among American dialects, that is a fairly rare pronunciation. I'm going to go ahead and reformat that article leaving your example, but adding a note that it varies between dialects, and if you can think of anything to add beyond that, it would be appreciated. Thanks. CyborgTosser (Only half the battle) 23:26, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe then something like your dictionary's full explanation would be good. One of the points of the language examples is, besides giving a survey of usage, helping readers who are not familiar with the phonetic terms recognize what it is they are reading about. Perhaps even something at the top, right after the IPA and XSAMPA symbols, explaining to English speakers that if they speak the word canyon with the emphasis on...they will likely be pronouncing this consonant or a good approximation. And with this kind of expansion, I don't see any problems with the change you suggested. Good luck. CyborgTosser (Only half the battle) 06:15, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
IPA transcriptions, rhoticity, and /r/
Just a note to say, first, that I appreciate your taking the time to convert some of the many SAMPA phonetic transcriptions to IPA.
I would ask, however, that you avoid non-rhotic transcriptions. Non-rhotic dialects are phonologically innovative, and more complex, than rhotic English. Learners of English as a foreign language, the chief audience for phonetic transcriptions, should not be taught to imitate them. More importantly, they are rule-bound, and the non-rhotic pronunciation can be derived simply from a rhotic transcription by the application of simple derivational rules; so those whose speech is non-rhotic can figure out their local pronunciation from a full transcription. Thanks. -- Smerdis of Tlön 14:57, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Oh for heaven's sake. Just as both British and American spellings are acceptable, so are both rhotic and nonrhotic pronunciations. I'd suggest only using RP for nonrhotic transcriptions, though, not other nonrhotic accents like Australian. I'd also suggest following the same guidelines for pronunciation as for spelling: rhotic pronunciations on American topics, nonrhotic pronunciations on British/European/Commonwealth topics, and both for region-neutral topics. --Angr 12:37, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I'll just add that I disagree with Smerdis of Tlön. Are ESL students really the cheif audience for phonetic/phonemic transcriptions? I doubt it but even if they are, they're not the only audience. Should they not be taught non-rhotic English? Why not? On the contrary, a non-rhotic ESL teacher should be teaching non-rhotic English (& a rhotic one, rhotic English). Neither one is better than the other. Jimp 19Jun05
Swedes steaming up
At RfC I listed:
- Talk:Rikssvenska, Talk:Swedish language, Talk:Swedish phonology, Talk:Voiceless dorso-palatal velar fricative, and most probably soon in more related articles, souring relations between contributors with conflicting attitudes and personalities (likely related, among other things, to the status of Finland-Swedish and the Mandatory Swedish education in Finland)
I guess this is a field where you can weight in as a moderating force.
Regards!
--Johan Magnus 09:59, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Australia-gov-stub
Hi - just noticed your creation of Australia-gov-stub. Looks like this will be a useful one, but in future please propose new stub categories on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria, so that they can be debated before creation! Grutness|hello? Missing image
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09:46, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
PS - there seems to be something up with the edit function on your talk page... The wrong section opens up when you go to edit a section...
- No problems as far as the stub is concerned - it's largely a courtesy to discuss things first, since it's the stub sorters who use the templates more than anyone else. This one will be useful - it's mainly when people start creating stub categories which will only ever have four or five articles in them, or ones which don't fit in with existing categories (by design or chance yours fits in well with things like canada-gov-stub). A to the edit problem, I'm not sure what's causing it - I just know that clicking on a section edit brings up the previous section. Try ashing at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) - someone there is bound to know what' going on. Grutness|hello? Missing image
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Yog(h)urt
Sorry for the delay in responding. But there's a bit more in my latest edit to Talk: Yoghurt. rossb 21:07, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Edit count
Even more apologies for a delay in responding, but I've been away dealing with a family crisis. I use Kate's tool (http://kohl.wikimedia.org/~kate/cgi-bin/count_edits.cgi) for monitoring my edit count when I am getting near to a landmark. You can work it out for past milestones by going through your 'My contributions' link; setting the number of articles to 500; and then repeatedly hitting the 'next 500' link. When you get to the end, then you keep reducing the number of articles displayed and paging through until you're showing the last 20. Setting the article count back to 500 will show the last 500 articles, and so the first article displayed is your 500th edit. You can then select 'previous 500' to find the later milestones. Apparently this puts a heavy load on the servers, so it's not really something to be recommended. Hope that helps. Noisy | Talk 13:46, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
Pronouncing your name
On my talk page, you've asked how Danes would pronounce your name. I'm a Dane, but I'm not good at phonetics. Anyway, here's a suggestion:
"Axel" or "Aksel" is old norse, probably meaning "gods helmet". It is pronounced much as in English. The A is perhaps more open like in British "bath", and the E is almost silent ("ahksl").
"Skovdam" means "forest ´pond", I guess. "Sko" is pronounced as in the word "Scotch"; "ov" is like a diphtong "ou" (and also like the Danish word "og", meaning "and"). In "dam", the A is like that in "Axel", but shorter and with auxilliary stress only. So it is quite short and open compared to the A in English "dam" or "damn".
Hope this helps.--Niels Ø 17:39, May 26, 2005 (UTC)