Talk:Zsa Zsa Gabor

The sources I found said it was Jolie who was "Miss Hungary" in 1936. So was it the ~35-year-old Jolie or the ~19-year-old Zsa Zsa? -- isis 08:54 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)

It was Zsa Zsa for whom it is claimed with some consistency. Though I suppose Jolie might have claimed it on her resume at some point... (the Gabors had LOTS of stories to tell about their past and they weren't all compatible)... If anyone could find a list of Miss Hungarys it would be interesting, because various stories have Zsa Zsa either winning Miss Hungary in 1936, or coming in second in 1936 (and later claiming to have won), or winning in 1936 but having to resign the title for being underage. -- Someone else 17:45 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)

I suspect that the likely explanation was that Zsa Zsa entered the Miss Hungary contest, came in second, emigrated to the US, exaggerated on her resumé, and her claim to have won the contest was simply accepted without fact-checking. Then someone checked, found out she wasn't in the list of Miss Hungarys, asked why, and was told the "I came in first, but was forced to resign because I was underage" story, which had the additional advantage of taking 3 years off her age. But that's just my guess. In the meantime, I'll change the assertion in the article from an assertion about truth to an assertion about her allegation. <G> -- Someone else 18:59 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)

Zsa Zsa seems far more probable than her old mother, and only a couple of sites seem to support the Jolie theory. The IMDb site has Jolie born in 1894, and living to age 103. IIRC Zsa Zsa was always coy about her age. The disqualification story seems to be a favorite of trivia pages and would support a birth in 1921. Her first marriage was in 1937. Would she also have been inclined to lie about her age to get married? I agree that it would help to have a list of the Misses Hungary (pluralization?) because I don't find any of the quickly available information sources (including IMDb) to be reliable on these points. -- So what's new on the Net? :-) Eclecticology 19:30 Nov 29, 2002 (UTC)

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Since when is hubby Fred the "Duke of Saxony" as http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021130/REPPY-3/International/international/internationalBriefsHeadline_temp/3/3/5/ says? My favorite of the Zsa Zsa stories on the accident was the one that said her age was "estimated to be 85" -- with the Gabors, that's about as close as one comes to a fact, isn't it? -- isis 01:08 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)

Oy, and that's Reuters, and they have him as Prince of Anhalt as well. You'd think they would do some elementary fact-checking, but apparently...not. I love the idea of an estimated age... though it makes me think of a fossil or something that needs to be carbon dated<G>. -- Someone else 01:22 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)

For William Addams Reitwiesner's words on the subject of Frederick's "Herzog zu Sachsen" name, see an alt.talk.royalty posting of his dated 05 Jul 1996, here (http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl3114027346d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&selm=7683.wrei%40rs8_POPMail/PC_3.2.3_Beta_2). He's generally a reliable chap, isn't he? So what does this make Frederick's full surname, post-adoption? "Prinz von Anhalt, Herzog zu Sachsen"? Or something even longer...? -- Oliver Pereira 01:55 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)

Yes, I'd believe WAR gladly, but I bet he'd might give this one a second thought. Zsa Zsa's husband was adopted by a FEMALE Anhalt, and they are not Herzogin. You can't transmit a title if you don't have it, and she didn't have it. As to the full surname, I'd bet it was "Prinz von Anhalt"... but someone would have to look at the paperwork to be sure. It COULD be "Prinz von Anhalt, Herzog von Sachsen", but it's certainly wrong for Reuters to call him Prince Frederick von Anhalt. -- Someone else

Even assuming he bought the Sachsen name in the adoption, not just the Anhalt name, I thought everyone agreed all he had was the name, not the office/title. That is, you can name your kid "Holy R. Emperor" but that won't make him the owner of those Crown Jewels in Vienna. -- isis 02:48 Dec 1, 2002 (UTC)

Yup, and getting that nice 'von' name especially won't gain entry into the nobility, which probably irks him no end<G> -- Someone else

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