Talk:Victoria Kaiulani
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according to Wikipedia´s own rules of naming royalty, this needs to be changed. Antares911 23:49, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
How could Stevenson have memorialized her if he died before she did?
As Victoria Kaiulani was never a reigning monarch of the Kingdom of Hawai'i, I removed the appendage "of Hawaii" from the namespace and article title.
- It is entirely appropriate and accurate for the article to be Victoria Kaiulani of Hawaii (see Wiki titles and names) ... she must have her country designation as do other entries utilizing a royal woman's maiden name designation ... she had no other name, royally speaking, than Crown Princess, but since Wiki article titles do not use titles, I would suggest you rename the page "Victoria Kaiulani of Hawaii" ... do similarly with your other Hawaiian royalty pages ... Also, I don't understand the significance of the last sentence in your article. Also I think you should remove reference to her embodying the Aloha Spirit of Hawaii unless this is somehow official and known in Hawaiian history. Otherwise it sounds touchy-feely-weird. Mowens35 22:30, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Removed the "Aloha Spirit" reference. 青い(Aoi) 08:51, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
POV paragraph
A paragraph under "Late Years" said this:
"Doctors say she died from a health problem, native Hawaiians believe that their Princess died of a broken heart. She suffered so many losses in her life (her mother, Theo Davies, David Kalakaua, & her country for example). Her father also said that he thinks maybe his daughter was meant for the time of Hawai`i`s monarchy overthrow. He said that since Hawai`i was gone Ka`iulani should go too. She lives on though in Hawai`i`s Aloha Spirit."
The paragraph is strongly POV so I edited the paragraph to say this:
"Some Native Hawaiians believe that Ka‘iulani died of a broken heart, having suffered many losses in her life (her mother, Theo Davies, David Kalakaua, and her country, among other things). Her father also said that he thought that since Hawai‘i was gone, it was fitting for Ka‘iulani to go as well."
I think even this might be pushing NPOV a little though. I was hesitant to delete the paragraph entirely, however. Any suggestions? 青い(Aoi) 08:51, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Royal consorts and monarchs
hi there. i´m trying to get a discussion going to change the rules on naming consorts, monarchs, etc.. it´s a bit of mess at the moment. maybe you wanna join in and give your opinion? feel free [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_%28names_and_titles%29#Royal_consorts_and_monarchs) cheers Antares911 23:50, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)