Talk:The Turner Diaries

Until and unless you do quote from the book "in context" then you are only falsely adding a false POV verses a NPOV and correct interpretation of this radical fictional futuristic novel.

Why don't YOU quote passages to support your changes? Also, are you even paying any attention to the reverts you make? Not much, it seems to me. You keep changing the link to "Europe" to "European", which if you bothered to click on it, you would find redirects to Europe. -- Infrogmation 19:12, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

You are the one making the false claim using a quote "out of its context", and not me.

Sorry about the link change regarding Europe/European.

My bad. :D

To the IP that keeps changing the article to say that "A white-only world" refers to a "white-only western world" - that is complete nonsense. It is abundantly clear from the quote in the article what is meant. There is overwhelming textual evidence that the entire world is cleared of non-whites, e.g.:

• "(Note to the reader: "Afro" refers to the Negro or African race, which, until its sudden disappearance during the Great Revolution, exerted an increasingly degenerative influence on the culture and life styles of the inhabitants of North America.)"

Hello, is North America and Europe the WHOLE WORLD or is it actually considered the Western World? It is clear that a "White-world" was referring to the White Western World, only:

http://members.odinsrage.com/turner/epilog.html

• "Then, of course, came the mopping-up period, when the last of the non- White bands were hunted down and exterminated, followed by the final purge of undesirable racial elements among the remaining White population...

Within the Whole White Western World. Within North America and Europe. Get it? Not the Whole world, yet: http://members.odinsrage.com/turner/epilog.html

But it was in the year 1999, according to the chronology of the Old Era - just 110 years after the birth of the Great One - that the dream of a White world finally became a certainty." 61.11.26.142 19:48, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Meaning that the Western World was finally all-White only, or North America, and Europe and not the Whole World, yet. Get real. Besides, the novel is ONLY a work of FANTASY or of FICTION, remember?

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"fictional novel"

In conventional English, like everyone else speaks, the construction "fictional novel" is a tautology. Is this construction some particular form of jargon used in White Separatism? Why do these anon users keep putting it back in? - David Gerard 15:04, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)

I agreed, which is why I changed it to "futuristic", which the novel is, and based upon Webster's On-line Dictionary definition of the word.

One entry found for futuristic.

Main Entry: fu·tur·is·tic Pronunciation: "fyü-ch&-'ris-tik Function: adjective

of, relating to, or characteristic of the future , futurism , or futurology; also : very modern

- fu·tur·is·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb

Also, "white separatism" is completely different from "white supremacism", of which the latter only implies the desire or wish to rule over all other races verses over only ones' own.

"A supremacist -- of whatever race -- is distinct from a 'separatist.' A separatist may believe that his race is superior to other races in some or all characteristics, but this is not his essential belief. The separatist is defined by his wish for freedom and independence for his people. He wishes them to have their own society, to be led by their own kind, to have a government which looks out for their interests alone. The separatist does not wish to live in a multiracial society at all, so he naturally has no desire to rule over other races -- since such rule necessitates the multiracial society the separatist wants to avoid at all costs.

A supremacist, in contrast, demands a multiracial society, since it is the supremacist's express wish that he dominate or rule over other races in such a society, such rule often being justified by a doctrine of racial superiority."

http://members.odinsrage.com/turner/epilog.html

Disambiguate The Order

The Order needs to be disambig'd to The Order (group) when this article is unprotected. --ESP 01:58, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

This article needs to be re-written

I have read the Turner Diaries, there are major plot details that aren't even talked about in this such as the excutions of 'race traitors,' the atomic bombing of most of the US east coast, and main characters. --Comrade Nick 04:58, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The summary certainly leaves much out. However I think it gives a fairly accurate idea of the book in the short space taken up here. Wikipedia is loaded with other summaries of books giving general outlines that leave much out. While I wouldn't say that the article needs to be re-written in the sence that what we have at present is wrong, it certainly could be improved by being expanded to describe such details as you mention. -- Infrogmation 13:58, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)