Talk:South Azerbaijan
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Hey Buddy,
read your own insert and see who is racist. Persians or Torks like you? You are the reason that Azaris are subject to such repulsive jokes in the folkelore as jack-asses!
very informative web site about south Azerbaijan
www.azadtribun.com http://www.azadtribun.com/0217.htm
http://www.azadtribun.com/908.htmBold text
no more persian racsizm, it stinks! In the history south Azerbaijani Turks have proven that they have done much more better without persian backwards central governmets, they managed to establish their independent or national government in south Azerbaijan,1945_1946 and that goverment was the most democratic goverment of East in its own time, Iranians(persians) they cant even dream to have such a democratic goverment even in next 100 years!!! as the biggest barrier is their narrow mindness, racsizm, and thinking that still they are the greatest nation of the world!!! which is indicating how backward is this nation, as u see they are proud of their symbolic heroic poets such as Ferdosi, the most rascist and anti woman poet, who has many poems against Arabs,Turks and women, and very backward poems like HONAR NAZDE IRANIAN AST O BAS!!!! those so called persian elits are inspired by such an idiot persian poets! then they start to imagine that they are really brilliant nation!!! thats why the most dictators and despotic regims still rulling over! talking and being proud of Arian race they never mention that afgans are pure persians
and arians as well! also indians ,pakistanis and bangeladesh also are Arians! why they stich themselves to germans only?!!! is ordu and dari close to persian language or German language and race?!!!!! in 21 century people are not idiots to believe in superiority of such a backward nation like persians. dont fool yourself anymore. Persian chauvinism, rascisim stinks! long live independent South Azerbaijan
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Chris and Persian Chauvinism
"Chris" or whatever you want to call yourself in order to say you are not supporting Persian Chauvinism...I am sure you can read or write. Go and investigate all the links I put out. Where do your links come from? Racist Persian chauvinist writers and biggots? Or from the Aryan nationalists. There is no such thing as an Iranian nation because there are different ethnic groups (nationalities) in Iran. Every nation has a different history, but you want to link everyone to your history! All your links are Persian chauvinist/Pan-Iranist links and you don't even respresent them here because you don't have anything to show lol
You Persian chauvinist/Pan-Iranist biggots need to leave the internet because you don't have any sources to back you up. You are stuck in a fantasy where you think you are a blue-eyed Aryan and you have to link everyone to yourself. By the way there are not just some Azerbaijani seperatists in Iran. South Azerbaijan does not want to seperate from Iran, Persian chauvinists want to seperate from South Azerbaijan. This year 2 million people showed up at the Castle of Babek....go on those "Pan-Turk" sites and see the pictures from every year when people show up and say "down with persian chauvinisim" and "shame on Iran." Everyone is a "Pan-Turk" or "Pan-Something" but only the Persian chauvinists are not "Pan-Iranians" :)
Emil 09:54, 7 Jul 2004
Everyone is a pan
This is revolting. I cannot believe the Persian people deny the persian chauvinism that the Iranian govnt has persued on us Azerbaijani Turks. What did Azerbaijan ever do to Iran? We are not asllowed to have our own names, we can't have our own culture, we get beat at the age of 6 in school by persian teachers when we can't speak a word of what they say! not to mention 6 year old kids running calling each other names that arn't even legally theirs and leaking in their pants cause they can't communicate with their teachers. Think morally, not nationalistically. We have been oppressed by the Iranian govnts for so long thAT I can't legally name my son Yilmaz, I have to call him Mohammad. Our activists are executed all the time! How can you support this, how can you deny all this! How can you sit here and think of yourself as humane while spreading propaganda about Azeri Turks. We are not persians! and we are not iranians. all our money from our provinces is stolen and spent in tehran, allm our rugs and cultural aspects sold to the world as "persian" and now the Iranians even try to label the independent northern republic of Azerbaijan as a false creation. accept it, There is a republic of Azerbaijan, there is no more soviet union, we exist! and we don't want to fight but you want democracy for iran, and you can't even understand the concept of it while denying turks and other ethnicities such as kurds and arabs the right to exist but calling us Linguistically turkified persians and iranians. Labelling us pan-turkists, making fun of our accents when we speak your language. calling us jackasses on tv (no different to calling an american negro a nigger". think morally before you support chauvinism, stop accusing and accept the facts that azeris should not have to fight for their own cultural to be legal in their OWN land, a land they make up 99% of the populatiomn of! Please wake up! AytanKarahan 10:02, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- You are not even Iranian and you are writing rubbish and lies here. Unlike Turkey and Republic of Azerbaijan where the minorities are indeed harassed and turtured and killed, in Iran all minorities are allowed to have their own langauge, and culture and local radio and televisions. In Turkey, until just a few years ago, even if you were caught with a Kurdish magazine in your hands, you could go to jail. They have only recently relaxed just a little bit, due to European pressure on Turkey for human rights. In Republic of Azerbaijan, the Taleshi minority are almost entirely extinct now, only because they were not Turkish speaking. Furthermore, in Iran, both in the previous regime as well as now in the Islamic republic, many (if not most) of the biggest elements of the regime have been Azeris, including the most notorious of the Islamic Republic of Iran's judges, Ayatollah Khalkhali (AKA "The Hanging Judge"). If you know what a map or an Atlas is, try locating where Khalkhal is on the map of Iran.
- You say 99% of Azarbaijan is Turkish speakers? Bullshit. In fact, in West Azarbaijan province, there are more non-Turkish speakers (mostly Kurdish) than Turkish. Also there is significant number of other ethnic groups there such as Armenians and Assyrians, not to mention people who are of mixed background (many centuries of inter-marriages, in fact). --K1 18:50, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You know at first i should mention that you yourself are the most foolish prson I have ever heard.I think you are a trash that when you can not accept that 6turks are much more intlligent than persians say tht turks are stupid.FUCK YOU.
Things that can be confirmed
FWIW, I have a couple of rather old atlases and can confirm that the term "Azerbaijan" in the early twentieth century referred to a region in modern-day Iran, south of the Aras; these sources corroborate the 1911 EB.
The region later known as the Azerbaijani SSR and more recently the Republic of Azerbaijan was at that time part of what was called Transcaucasia, which was under Russian control.
Maury's New Complete Geography (1906) depicts this in the map facing page 136, and in the text on 149 says this: "Transcaucasia, formerly Georgia, lies on the south side of the Caucasus Mountains... The people... belong to the Tatar (tah'tar) race... Tiflis is the capital and chief city. The region about Baku is famous for its wells of petroleum..." This clearly includes what is now the Republic of Azerbaijan, as well as what is now Georgia, and probably also Armenia; the border between Transcaucasia and Persia on the map appears to be very close to the same shape as the northern border of Iran in my late-cold-war-era 6th ed. National Geographic Atlas of the World, and in the same position relative to Tabriz.
Additionally, the New Ecclectic Series Complete Geography (1896) shows Caucasia, a region belonging to Russia, in the same location as Maury's shows Transcaucasia. This atlas however does not have sufficient detail of Persia to show the region then known as Azerbaijan; for that we have to go with what Maury's and the Britannica tell us, in the absense of another source from that era.
Unfortunately, I do not have an atlas from the 1920s, which would be very useful for resolving at least one point of dispute. I do however have a dictionary with maps from the early fourties (which shows Poland dividing East Prussia from the rest of Germany), and this shows Azerbaijan as part of the USSR, east of Armenia, in roughly the present location of the Republic of Azerbaijan (though borders between the SSRs are not drawn in on this map), showing the state of affairs between WWI and WWII. This is from Webster's Complete Reference Dictionary and Encyclopedia, The Publisher's Guild, NY, The World Publishing Company, 1944.
If someone has maps, or, better, a detailed atlas, from the 1920s, that would help to nail down _when_ the term 'Azerbaijan' began to refer to the region north of the Aras. Why may be harder to establish, but let's start with what should be straightforward and go from there.
And please stop calling people Persian Chauvenists and Pan-Turkists; it helps nothing.
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