Talk:Sorbs
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"...They are distant relatives of Serbs..."
The Sorbs are distant relatives of all other Slavic peoples, such as Russians, Czeks, Slovaks etc. But the Serbs belong to the south Slavs and the Sorbs to the west Slavs. Occasionally people confuse Sorbs from Germany with Serbs from Serbia, and many believe that because they sound alike they are directly related. 217.185.86.179 14:11 Dec 31, 2002 (UTC)
- But probably there is a common etimology that should be explained. That is what was done at Dutch.
Should this page be at Sorb, in keeping with rules about plurals? -- Jake 06:06, 2003 Nov 7 (UTC)
- No, this is not a page on a Sorb, but on the Sorbs. Though "Sorbs" is a plural of "Sorb" gramatically, it is not always semantically - the word "Sorbs" has one meaning in "three Sorbs" and another in "the Sorbs"; this article is about the latter meaning, for which there is no singular. Nikola 09:52, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Sorbs are the ancestors of the Serbs. Dont write about things you know nothing about. Sorbs founded 'White Sorbia' a kingdom once located where the Bundestaat of Saxony is today. They were invited into the Balkans to help subdue the populations already located their. They eventually lost their own, West Slavic, language and took on Southern Slavic speech of the groups they conquered. Anyway, thats more Serb history than Sorb, but you should at least get it right.
This crap about enslavement in Nazi Germany is crap. The Sorbs and Mazurians were the only minority groups in Nazi Germany to escape harsh treatment. The nazis tended to view both groups as Slavic-speaking Germans.
I am so sick of people who have no knowledge about any subject seamingly choosing randomly on what subjects to expound.
- It is barely partly true. First thing we have to remember that Sorbs is an English name. These Sorbs call themselve (Lusatian) Serbs.
- Secondly, there are many theories about origins of Serbs. Very interesting (and popular amongst historians) is theory about Iranic origins of Serbs. According to this theory Iranian tribe of Serbs subdued some Slavic tribes and was assimilated by them leaving their name (similary like in case of Bulgarians). According to this theory the "state" of those Serbs existed not in present day Lusatia but more east. On the basis of toponims, present day Great Poland is the most probably place. After that some Serbs (and Croats from White Croatia) could move south and settle in present day Serbia and other Serbs could move more west to present day Saxony.
- And finally, talking about that "thay lost their own, West Slavic, language and took on Southern Slavic speech of the groups they conquered" has no point as before 10th century there were no separate South Slavic languages. Basically, western group of south Slavic (Serbo-Croatian, Slovenian) languages appear to derive from western dialects of Old Slavonic language and eastern group (Bulgarian, Macedonian) appear to derive from eastern dialects.Yeti 17:52, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Famous Sorbs
I deleted "famous Sorbs", cause I have no sources for them really being Sorbs ... For discussion please see Talk:List_of_Sorbs too. Soky 00:03, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)