Talk:Solipsism
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A page on Solipsism that doesn't mention Stranger in a Strange Land? I'm shocked, simply shocked. Xoder 06:05 Apr 20, 2003 (UTC)
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Solipsism not as a stand had within the Material view of the universe, but in opposition to Materialism as a universal view
The Tormont-Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary defines Solipsism only as a philosophy which is;
"1. The theory that the self is the only thing that can be known and verified. 2. The theory or view that the self is the only reality."
This is to make definition necessary for what 'self' this means in a Solipsist context. From the article it is taken as the "conception" of self, the mind. Which if viewing other physical selves and refuting those as an external reality it must. Although it definitionally must regard them as an internal reality; true to the one self. Therefore all reality is true not imaginary as it is then the only factor of idea in which there is any knowledge of self. It is reality but only as far as it is part of the self, because it is the only constitution of the self; having no external reality means one's own external body cannot be reality or the construction of the self above & beyond the perception of it for that implies a uniformity of nature in a material world beyond the self; only one's idea of which is what makes the singular reality possible. Therefore it is not correct to see Solipsism as generative of other minds for their own capacity, that doesn't exist to the Solipsist, only that it is generative of how the self knows them. I notice in certain regards this entry seems to assume Solipsism means body and it's senses not the ideas of those senses as it must mean to not be an assumption outside Solipsism, i.e. a physical root for the self instead of only the self being real. As the article is implying that your physical being is the only one that exists with the mention of death as an objection. Being that Solipsism is only infallible in the realm of idea, death as such cannot be even for means of posterity an objection. If only because the state of idea in the realm of death cannot be reasoned one way or another in theory. The same is true of the language argument, the answer isn't "boredom," because boredom itself implies an external source of stimuli, but rather that you yourself create meaning for language, words are true to themselves as far as a self makes them, it is the meaning one alone applies to them which make them exist, which if they did not exist as true to the self, the self would not exist in that it is built out of it's understandings which, in Solipsism, is seen as itself; language is a result of asserting the self, it is not learnt, the meaning of language is synthesized arbitarily from perceptions the self is left to in reflection. The 'brain in a vat' mention is another contradiction; Solipsism is an ideology without presuppositions, not a presupposition that it's conception of self within the universe is the only one of them to exist in the universe, but that it's conceptions in their entirety create the universe indistinguishable from the self. Nagelfar 03:22, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
David who?
And what objections does he have exactly? 207.99.6.125 08:44, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Buddhism and Taoism are not Solipsism
This article is extremly confused about Eastern philosophy. It is not that the real world is denied by Taoism and Buddhism, but that the self is redefined to include all of the real world. The belief is not that the world is illusion within the mind. I also notice in the objections a lot of arguments relating to Hinduism, which is, again, not really solipsism. In hinduism, one IS essentially considered to be God, which forgets he is god on purpose so as to have fun. But the Hindus believe that many people are God at once, not just one person viewing the rest. Also, this article itself says that solipsism does not make someone God, so the whole thing is contradictory.
Issue with the Article's Arguments
Wait a second; doesn't the very existence of socio-cultural human value systems that have to be taught to you indicate the existence of someone else out there? I mean, if you really are the only person out there, wouldn't the only value system be a solipsistic one? Also, what's with the lack of Matrix references? -HurriSbezu