Talk:Rosa Parks
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Template:Oldpeerreview first off. wikipedia is a great site for african amricans.... you can get a lot of information for projects!
Thanks, anonymous user. Tokerboy
Could someone look into the details of Irene Morgan? The way she's listed, the article makes it sound like the NAACP did not represent her. But in fact, her case went all the way to the Supreme Court, and she was represented by Supreme Court lawyers. As I understand it, she actually won that case, but on Commerce Clause grounds (because she was on an interstate bus) rather than 14th Amendment grounds, which may explain why Rosa Parks is more famous. So that's a pretty egregious error. But I might have this all wrong, I'm relying on a single unconfirmed source. Katahon 21:52, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC)
NPR has described Rosa Parks's activist training before the bus event, and her planning it, rather than just being so tired that on the spur of the moment civil disobedience felt more attractive than complying. I've never heard the story elsewhere, but if it's verifiable, IMO it is important to the article. --Jerzy(t) 00:30, 2004 Feb 26 (UTC)
- Should be verifiable. It's well known. She studied at the Highlander School, which I see lacks an article, see [1] (http://www.hrec.org/). See also [2] (http://www.npg.si.edu/pubs/profile/spr00/rosa.htm) for Rosa Parks being at the Highlander School. -- Jmabel 01:13, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- It's absolutely true. It isn't well known -- like so much history, it's taught as if events occurs almost haphazardly, rather than people organizing for social change. Oh well. Wikipedia can help change that with more information about things than your average encyclopedia -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 01:19, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I think you all missed the point, and I edited the article to try to help, but I'm not at all sure that my framing of the issue is right, either. The point is that the article claimed something that was simply false, namely that the NAACP had turned away Irene Morgan. That's manifestly untrue, as they actually litigated her case all the way to the Supreme Court and won. The issue raised by Katahon is NOT whether or not Rosa Parks somehow worked to get her case heard, or if her selection was due to her activism, or whatever. That's not really an issue, and why should it be? Anyone who thinks that it detracts from the mythology of Rosa Parks hasn't really got a grasp on how Supreme Court quality test cases come about.
The point is that it's a slur against the NAACP, and a simple factual error, to say that they had turned away prior protestors. That's a sort of "anti-myth" that's still a myth.
The reality is that NAACP pursued a very successful legal strategy over a very long time period, attacking segregation laws in a piecemeal fashion. They established precedent in small areas, and worked to expand that precedent. The Irene Morgan case overturned state segregation laws on Commerce Clause grounds, which meant that state laws mandating bus seating would no longer apply to busses travelling interstate. The Rosa Parks case, on different constitutional grounds, expanded that ban to intrastate Jim Crow laws. RosaFan 13:14, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- RF, i am grateful for your edit, and i think your defense of it is effective. I would not presume to speak for those who responded to my point here, nor have i studied the various recent edits other than yours (so i could comment a little bit informedly), but my own sin is ignoring K's comment except by going off on a tangent from it: since i was too ignorant to add that could deal with K's concern, i added a comment that IMO could also lead to improvement of the article; i trust there is no need for me to defend the value of the information added at least to this page.
- (On a little of a personal note, which may offer perspective of some slight value, i'd like to mention that hearing that NPR account shattered my very clear image of a middle-aged woman, probably a domestic servant, who spontaneously asked herself "How much of this shit am a really willing to take?" The truth may be "well known", and i admit to having been little more than a sympathizer with the civil-rights struggle, but i knew Highlander existed long ago, and was involved in some activist training, without this fact shaking up my naivete.
- (And FWIW, frankly, it's hard for me to be sure which version of Rosa Parks is more heroic for me -- i think the real one, bcz it means it was an informed decision, probably with the explicit awareness that people like her were most likely going to die before it was over, rather than her just having greatness thrust upon her by the spur of the moment.)
- --Jerzy(t) 01:36, 2004 Feb 27 (UTC)
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Gordon Parks' sister?
I removed this:
She was also the sister of Gordon Parks.
A source would need to be sited for this, especially since scouring Google for all possible combinations of "Gordon Parks", "Rosa Parks", "brother", and "sister" proved fruitless.
And, besides, if anything, they'd be siblings-in-law, not blood relations ("Parks" is a married name).
--b. Touch 22:54, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Date of settlement of lawsuit
The date of the settlement of the OutKast lawsuit was anonymously changed from April 14, 2005 to April 15. Since no source is cited, I have no idea whether this is a correction or vandalism. Could someone please try to sort this out? -- Jmabel | Talk 04:54, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)
Middle name
Online sources seem roughly evenly divided between "Rosa Lee Parks" and "Rosa Louise Parks", with no particular tendency among what I'd usually think of as "higher caliber" sites. Does someone have something definitive? Should we perhaps mention that both variants are often given? -- Jmabel | Talk 04:46, May 3, 2005 (UTC)
Montgomery Boycott
The article says, in the Civil Rights and Political Activity section,
- "Partially in response to her arrest, Martin Luther King, Jr., then a relatively unknown Baptist minister, led the year-long Montgomery bus boycott, which forced the public transportation authority to end the practice of racial segregation on public buses. This event helped spark many other protests against segregation. Meanwhile, in 1956 Parks's case ultimately resulted in United States Supreme Court's ruling that segregated bus service was unconstitutional."
I don't think this makes sense, as the Supreme Court ruling wasn't a "meanwhile"--it was at least partly related to the boycott. — Braaropolis | Talk 18:16, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
382 days, or 381 days?
These sites state that the boycott lasted for 381 days.
Today in History: December 1 (http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/dec01.html) - "Her arrest sparked a 381-day boycott of the Montgomery bus system and led to a 1956 Supreme Court decision banning segregation on public transportation."Gale - Free Resources - Black History Month - Biographies - Rosa Parks (http://www.galegroup.com/free_resources/bhm/bio/parks_r.htm) - "Ebony correspondent Roxanne Brown wrote: "For 381 days, Blacks car-pooled and walked to work and church."<p> Apsmif101<p> Edit: It also says 381 days on NAACP - "The boycott lasted 381 days." So I'm changing it.<p> Apsmif101
language...
is "negro community" in the article politically correct? (clem 22:12, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC))
- Depends what you mean by "politically correct". It is the term they would have used for themselves at the time, though I would think probably with a capital "N" (not entirely cut and dried here, since it's an adjective). I think it is probably the correct term for the period, though I doubt anyone would object to changing it to "African American community". -- Jmabel | Talk 22:12, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)