Talk:Pavlova
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Rarely at home
Does anybody else dispute the sentence "Pavlova is rarely made at home in Australia or New Zealand today"? In New Zealand, virtually every pavlova I have had the pleasure of eating was home made. - GaryW 20:21 Mar 28, 2003 (UTC)
I agree! Supermarket pavlovas - yuck. Piha 21:29, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- I think supermarket pavlovas are nice! :-) and a hell of a lot easier.
- Easier yes. Nice...? You obviously haven't tasted a real home-made pav.
Elsewhere?
- Do other countries have them? The article doesn't really emphasise NZ/Aussie thing. Tristanb 12:38, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Not sure, but I just had Christmas dinner with a Californian visitor who'd never seen one before. Securiger 12:18, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- Never heard of them in the UK prior to coming to New Zealand. Presumably with the number of antipodeans in the UK now they're pretty well-known there, though. Grutness|hello? Missing image
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NZ or Aus
The NZ/Australian origin of the Pavlova is an interesting question. As far as I can tell, New Zealand can certainly claim credit for the name "pavlova". But, and it is a big but, the "pavlova" that was created in 1926 in New Zealand is not the same thing as the "pavlova" that was created by Bert Sachse in Perth in c. 1935. The New Zealand "pavlova" contained gelatine. The Aussie "pavlova" does not. There are probably other, more significant differences. The point is that when the world says "pavlova" nowadays, it means the entity that had its origin in Australia, not the entity that had its origin in New Zealand. So, it is an Australian recipe. I think we Aussies are being more than generous in allowing our Kiwi cousins to claim credit for coming up with the name - but only the name. JackofOz 06:35, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- That's like saying that although the Soviet Union was the first country to put a man in space it doesn't count because he was a cosmonaut and not an astronaut - and since everyone knows that space travellers are called astronauts the US can say it was the first.
I now have a date for the creation of the Pavlova by Bert Sachse in Perth, Western Australia - the date is 3rd October 1935. I propose to enter this into the article as 'holy writ' if I don't get any alternative information. JackofOz 10:46, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Just as long as you don't try to claim it was invented then :) Grutness|hello? Missing image
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13:06, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
NZ or AUS
Tell you wahat, how about if we get Crowded house, we let the Aussies claim Russell Crowe ;-).