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1 More info on Norwegian Campaign in the works... 2 Norway now a Baltic state... 3 Re the mention of Heydrich 4 Rationale for misc edits 2 Sep 2004 5 Merge proposal 6 Descending (Wehrmacht) soldiers... 7 Article linking 8 Temp article

More info on Norwegian Campaign in the works...

To put it mildly, any Norwegian with a slight semblance of historical interest would probably take this article in its previous form as an insult -- without there being as much as a notice of the total lack of info on the military events of Weserübung in Norway -- not even the sinking of the heavy cruiser Blücher on April 9 is mentioned; nor is the two month long campaign... (compare with, eg., the Polish September Campaign, as regards breadth of coverage for an even shorter campaign, although the latter is of course of singular interest as it "opened" WWII).

Wikipedia being what it is, this is of course not a complaint addressing the lack of info as such, but the missing disclaimer of same lack -- which in this case must be said to have been misleading to a novice reader. --Wernher 20:30, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

So there, now there's a list of events to show people that invading Norway must at least have been a nuisance to the uninvited guests, not to mention to the little mustachioed man in Berlin... --Wernher 04:25, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Norway now a Baltic state...

The 'listbox' of WWII theatres places Weserübung in the Baltic states. Needless to say, this is unconventional geography, at the least, so I have put a comment questioning this in the relevant article. I suggest Scandinavia as the name of the theatre. --Wernher 22:40, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The misunderstanding was quickly fixed – a tribute to Wikipedia. --Wernher 01:30, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Well, actually, you can see Scandinavia annoted as "Baltic" in some English-language works, however, this does not seem to be common in more recent works. As usual, the locals can not change such a bad habit. /Tuomas 03:54, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that definitions of the Baltic region contain Scandinavia, which is OK; there have been trade relations within this greater region for a thousand years or so. But the three Baltic states should not be confused with the larger region. --Wernher 09:53, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

Re the mention of Heydrich

Just a short note: Heydrich as a Luftwaffe fighter pilot is mentioned misc places on the 'web, and a couple of years ago I read somewhere (now, if I only could remember which book...) that he was one of those landing at Kjevik (Kr.sand) at Wesertag. He also flew some recon missions from Sola (Stavanger) over the UK, before returning to Berlin in May. Some proper refs will have to be digged out. --Wernher 10:58, 13 May 2004 (UTC)

Rationale for misc edits 2 Sep 2004

1. Reinstating the former version of the intro paragraph where the details of Weserzeit are kept out of the main paragraph body makes the prose float better, and (re)fixes/repairs some of the prose which had been somewhat grammatically mutilated.
2. Changing the note markers from this¹ and this² to this^* makes the notes significantly more visible, and reduces editing work as well as helping avoid goofs when adding/removing notes.
3. The fact of the Fornebu landing being the ...first paratrooper attack in history... is conveyed more clearly to the reader if the lk txt of the Fallschirmjäger lk is the general English language word for that type of troops.
   

Update: see the thread Descending (Wehrmacht) soldiers... below. --W

--Wernher

Merge proposal

I believe that this should be merged with Allied campaign in Norway to avoid duplication. DJ Clayworth 14:34, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It hopefully will not. The German and the British operations were interconnected, but many things in history and life are so. Merging these articles has the potency to cause more confusion and problems than it may solve. /Tuomas 22:04, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I don't believe they should be merged. The main problem (I think) is the lack of an overview of the Scandanavian Campaign, which would include both. Oberiko 10:35, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

The merge-banner is now removed.
--Ruhrjung 07:04, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

I agree with Oberiko and Tuomas. An overview is to be expected in the article structurally one tier above this, i.e. in the European Theater-article.
--Ruhrjung 07:12, 2004 Sep 21 (UTC)

I recently amended the article to beef up the stuff about the sinking in the narrows, but my one little clause packs a lot of expandable information. The aftermath of the sinking was the successful escape of the government, the king, and the treasury, which had great impact, not only on Norway, but on the war as a whole. The Norwegian merchant fleet, for instance, was transferred wholesale to the allied cause and the treasury was used, among other things, to finance a Norwegian warship that participated in the sea campaigns against the Germans, and, I believe, sunk a ship. In addition, the Norwegian resistance sank ships for the rest of the war, with the Norwegian resistance aiding the British to sink several battleships (don't have my reference handy) that were hiding in the fjords. Furthermore, vast numbers of German troops were tied up in Norway, prisoners of British deceptions about plans to invade and the genuine resistance of the Norwegians. When they finally departed, the Germans destroyed much of the north of Norway. Any article about the "Scandanavian campaign" is really going to be an article about the Norwegian campaign. Denmark was overrun in days (although there was some action in Greenland), Sweden . . . well, we know about that, Finland was a vastly complicated story that should also be told separately. I don't know what Iceland did. Norway was counted among the victorious allies of World War 2. The story is less well known than the French story, but much more to Norway's credit. Ortolan88 15:36, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I agree with you Ortolan. Scandinavia (originally my wording for the campaign) is a bad choice. Norway was the only nation really involved and Finland (with the Winter and Continuation War) is not only vastly to complicated to fit here, but has little relevance to the Norwegian Campaign <-- (Proposed overview page). Oberiko 15:50, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Descending (Wehrmacht) soldiers...

Regarding the disagreement over using the term paratrooper vs Fallschirmjäger in the following sentence in the article:

German airborne troops landed at Oslo airport Fornebu, Kristiansand airport Kjevik, and Stavanger airport Sola – the latter constituting the first TERM1 (TERM2) attack in history...

As said attack was the first ever (in history) made by airborne troops descending in parachutes, I argue that the general English language term for such troops should be used as TERM1. TERM2, if present, should be used for specifying the particular type of paratroopers employed on this occasion. From The Random House Dictionary of the English Language, the Unabridged Edition, 1983, reprinted in 1989 as part of Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary (ISBN 0-517-68781-X) we have:

paratrooper, n. Mil. a member of an army infantry unit trained to attack or land in combat areas by parachuting from airplanes. [PARA(CHUTE)+TROOPER]

This seems to indicate that paratrooper is, indeed, the general English language term. If anyone wants to comment on this "editing controversy" (?), you're welcome to. --Wernher 20:49, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

So are you suggesting that we perhaps transpose the two terms? -Joseph (Talk) 21:05, 2004 Oct 5 (UTC)

Yes, that would definitely be better, I think, i.e. putting the German word in parentheses following the general English term. The German term is of course also referred/linked to very visibly in the paratrooper article, but the solution you mention would inform readers of the specific German term directly. BTW, the Fallschirmjäger article seems to indicate that the G. term was/is used for WWII G. paratroopers exclusively -- is that the case? Are today's Bundeswehr's paratroops (if any) called otherwise? --Wernher 14:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Transposition performed. I think they do still use the term. I'll have to check and modify that article accordingly. -Joseph (Talk) 19:58, 2004 Oct 6 (UTC)

In german the the word Fallschirmjäger is used for all paratroopers regardless of era and nationalityNevfennas 22:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Article linking

• It's common practice not to have multiple links to the same location within an article. Perhaps the phrase simply needs to be reworded to match your criteria here? Oberiko 23:25, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• An alternative would of course be to make different articles for the transitations through Sweden and Finland respectively, but I don't think that's such a good idea. The Russian and German policies are linked both by practice, time, and by their then-concordance of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. As long as it isn't done frequently, I think Ruhrjung's solution is suitable in this particular case — ...but if you wish to improve the wordings, maybe that can be accomplished; although, I fear that to be a hornets' nest that I don't want to mess with. /Tuomas 23:59, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Temp article

At Operation Weserübung/temp I've relocated some text I originally had for the Norwegian Campaign. I'll integrate it here later. Oberiko 13:04, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Why all the redundancy? Couldn't the Norwegian Campaign be the main history page and Operation Weserübung concern the German plan for the operation? That would seem the most logical. — RJH 02:15, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That's why I put it here. The temp article contains my first draft for the Norwegian Campaign article, but I thought it was to focused on Weserubung so I started over. Instead of simply deleting the old one, I put it in the temp just in case someone might find something useful in there. Oberiko 02:43, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actually I meant why all of the redundancy in this article of material that more properly belongs in Norwegian Campaign. In the Invasion of Norway section is a big long list of content that "should" be included here, but is really more appropriate for the Norwegian Campaign page. I added a merge tag to that part of the text, but somebody then deleted it. But I don't see a good argument for keeping that list here. Thanks. — RJH 14:58, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)