Talk:Operation Blue Star
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I've removed all Sikh nationalist POV. Anything that is posted from the above site will need heavy copy editing and fact checking. Secretlondon 10:11, Dec 3, 2003 (UTC)
Bhindranwale was NOT a separatist and did not call for the creation of Khalistan, this is well documented in BBC interviews he gave in the months leading to Operation Bluestar. In the said interviews Jarnail Singh explains that an attack on Harimandir Shaib would be the catalyst for creation of Khalistan.
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Have made significant changes to the article
Removed:
"The Indian Army without thought or care for innocent civilians trapped in the complex launched the assault."
The above statement is clearly POV.
Added a timeline to the sequence of events from the occupation of the Temple complex by Bhindranwales forces to the attack by the Indian military. Sources include several neutral sources which includes BBC reports and witness accounts and John Pike's global security and conflict portal. Some of these can be online found here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/6/newsid_2499000/2499341.stm http://www.google.com
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/media/video/otdvideo/84/06/06/3024_06-06-84?size=4x3&bgc=6699CC&nbram=1&nbram=1&bbram=1&news=1 Avataran
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/punjab.htm
I do however agree that Bhindranwale himself never called for a creation of Khalistan. However the temple as a site for several thousand separatists pledging a vow for a seperate state and his last stand within the temple complex assumes significance.
NPOV
This article is still very pro-Sikh. Please try to make it more NPOV. --Woohookitty 01:00, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Changes in Progress
I have added several elements from the Indian security perspective. I should add that I am not a supporter of the Khalistan movement, and subsequently there could be unfair slants that I have inevitably taken. Nevertheless, I am deeply critical of human right abuses of the Punjab insurgency (on both sides) and the organization of the Bluestar operation (the genuine mishandling of which led to the creation of the National Security Gaurds - black cat commandos and the negligible human loss of the other two stormings of the Golden Temple, Black Thunder I & II) and also do believe that an accurate telling of the story is important. From my perspective, it is important to the century old project of the building the Indian democracy.
In the future, I intend to add a timeline of the operation, write a section on the Indian Army Operational Plan and Objectives, and remold the "Indian Army Attacks" section to commentary on the operational failures, outcomes as well as the gross human loss and damage to the Golden Temple. I, also, intend to add another section on the aftermath of Operation Bluestar and its relevance to the Punjab Insurgency. Finally, once all these activites are complete, I plan to rewrite a summary and then take the article off dispute (assuming we are more or less fine at least on the broader picture).
Looking forward to inputs.
Feb 18, 11:13 GMT The webpage must focus on real articles from Amnesty International and human rights organisations that are independent and impartial. Relying on Indian state intelligence or security viewpoint would obviously justify the massacre of thousands of innocent civillian sikhs. Visit http://www.amnesty.org or http://www.witneess84.com or http://www.carnage84.com or http://www.sikhlionz.com for more info.
Bluestar Operational Plans
Just a small note. I've been disambiguating the word 'OR' and will show my ignorance by having no idea what the ORs abbreviation stands for in this text. Anyone want to expand/rename the link? Tx --Bookandcoffee 02:08, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Still very pro sikh
The article is still very pro sikh and anti Indian. Someone with subject knowledge please make it NPOV.
POV as to Pakistani involvement
I went ahead and reverted the rewrite of 26 April 2005; however, the article implies that the Sikh independence movement was nothing more than a Pakistani intellegence operation, and that bias needs to be removed. I'm sure the independence movement probably gathered resources from where ever available but the implication is still POV and will continue to be a source of trouble with maintaining this article. Also the title (using only the Indian government's term for the operation and not adressing a common name, Golden Temple Massacre) is probably a little POV. 12.74.168.70 15:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Guys no one knows for sure what caused it and who was behind it. It should be written its belived these people were involved. Its sort of the kennedy assasination for the Sikhs.
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Well, after reading the comments made here and the Blue Star Operation as given by Indian Government aka Golden Temple Massacre at answers.com, I would like to add few things. Before I write any comments I'm intrigued by the few things which no one has ever answered in any of the articles since this massacre has happened and let me make one thing clear that I'm against the idea of using Holy shrine as a fort for your political or religious beliefs.
Now, Firstly, in the so called Democratic India why the Indian media was not allowed to go into Punjab to report about the issue let alone the world media for five days? Punjab was cut out of the world for five days and anything can be done in these five days, e.g. hide money, arms in the holy pool and show it as it was from militants etc. If Mrs. Indira Gandhi was a true prime minister of INDIA, she should have allowed the media to go in and report the issues handled by Army and millitants, but given the back ground of Mrs. Gandhi, "In 1975 when she was barred from holding office for six years after she was found guilty of electoral corruption, she refused to resign and controversially declared a state of emergency, claiming there was a plot to disrupt democracy", who would have expected a fair trial from her anyways.
Secondly, why the government choosed the holy day, the anniversary of the martyrdom of Guru Arjan Dev, who built the Golden Temple and compiled the Sikh's Holy book. Everyone knew that there will be millions of pilgrim visiting the Golden Temple. Why ? The operations are always well planned and organised. This date defintely should have come to their mind as not to start their operation but they did.
This is going to be clear one side game unless someone from the Indian Intelligence services come out and speak the truth behind the curtains.
Bandhu Aawaaz