Talk:Neighbours
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Gay characters
in reference to lana being the show's first openly gay character, is this correct? i thought gino was a bit fruity/camp altho never was sure if he confirmed his sexual preferences. some clarification please!
ta! DaveLewis 04:30, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- The original description for Gino suggested that he might be gay, but it was removed for some reason. Maybe libel applies to fictional characters in Australia, or something. Bonalaw 09:02, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- the show certainly alluded that he was gay, giving him stereotypical gay tendencies, my pov anyway. However, i dont think they ever said he was gay. In this sense, altho gino might have been the first gay character, i suppose the article is about right in sayin lana is the first 'openly gay character' but that phrase just doesnt sit right with me!
- DaveLewis 13:22, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- There have been at least two gay men in the series previously. A male teacher working with Susan who was the victim of parental complains about his sexuality. There was also a hunky young man who Debbie Martin fancied. He had to admit to her he was gay. These were not enduring characters but certainly in more than one episode. 28 Dec 2004.
Can someone expand on Gino please? I added him in the 'other characters' section!
- There was already a bio for Gino in the Past Characters (Neighbours) article, so I took the bio you made and merged it with the article that was already there.Cyclone49 09:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Tone of the article
Is it me, or is this article written with a humourous slant? Perhaps it needs to be more neutral? Sanguinus 11:01, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
It may not be a coincidence that "Erinsborough" is an anagram of "Our neighbors".
- Sorry, Lee M, but I've had to remove this. Has anyone connected to the programme mentioned this as the origin of the name? If so, then we can attribute it and put it back in. Otherwise, it sounds too much like vague editorial speculation... Interesting, though. Never noticed it before. But the programme is called Neighbours, and not Neighbors, isn't it...? -- Oliver P. 19:14 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- True. Actually it was Victor Lewis-Smith who pointed out the anagram in his TV column. "Erinsborough" -> "Our neighbors" or "Or Neighbours". There are probably other, ruder anagrams, if anyone cares to look for them.... -- Lee M
List of characters
Hi, I'm trying to compile a complete list of all the characters that have ever been in Neighbours (ambitious, I know). If anyone can help, please add to the list. For now, it's on the main page, but we could migrate it to a separate page once it gets too unwieldy. Also, if anyone has any ideas on how best to order the list (surname, forename, relationship, appearance, etc) please suggest below. Cheers --Dunk 21:32, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Episodes section
- Great project. But I'm a bit unsure about your "favourite episodes" section. That's an essentially POV heading surely! Not quite sure how to handle it, especially in view of the fact that someone has already merged your separate page for the list of characters back into the main article (and you seem to have handled that very graciously, well done). We might want to revisit that decision IMO. Andrewa 17:34, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Perhaps noteworthy episodes is a better section title. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 17:42, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Changed to noteworthy but I don't care if it's deleted. Might bring back a few good memories for Neighbours fans though.
- Dunk, if you are still interested in this topic, make your self aware of http://www.ramsay-street.co.uk/ - the sheer depth they have there is pretty amazing - a synopsis of all 4,000 odd episodes plus a complete cast for each week. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:15, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
- Hmm, confused, I think this week-by-week cast list http://www.ramsay-street.co.uk/episodes/cast3751.asp may be a one off. Pete/Pcb21 (talk)
Aussie soaps in the US
Hey, Prisoner (TV series) was also shown in the US (and quite popular there, too). So were there five Aust soaps to have been shown in the US? - 16 Nov 2004
British broadcast dates
The article alludes to the fact that British viewers have always been 'behind' in the story, but that the gap is ever-decreasing because of the show's summer hiatus in Australia. This year (2004) the show is going off air in Britain for three weeks over Xmas - which suggests that British viewers have almost 'caught up' Adambisset
- Yes, I think the UK is now only about a month behind Australia, and efforts are made to maintain approximately that gap, so it has breaks over christmas and easter now, as well as going off air during major sporting events (Olympics, Soccer World Cup) Bonalaw 14:32, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- It isn't "ever decreasing" This year it increases by two weeks due to the Olympics. Combined with Wimbledon and bank holidays this meant that it was over 10 weeks in the autumn compared to 4 early in the year, and it will only come down to 6 over Christmas
Character Descriptions
I'm unconfortable with many of these in terms of NPOV:
1. Harold Bishop - "slightly naïve, often comic relief"
2. David Bishop - "A dull individual, often too proud to ask for help."
3. Sky Mangel - "Harold's rebellious teenage"
4. Summer Hoyland - "precocious daughter of Max"
5. Louis Carpenter - "chalk-and-cheese friendship with Harold Bishop"
6. Connor O'Neill - "slightly naïve"
7. Svetlanka Ristic - "Very evil lady, who hates David with a passion"
8. Valda Sheergold - "Over-the-top busybody and comic relief."
9. Carmella Cammenneti - "Over protected daughter"
These are all opinions, not facts thus in breach of the NPOV policy of Wikipedia. I would say 3, 4 and 6 are not accurate descriptions of ever-fluxtuating characters now. "chalk-and-cheese", "comic relief", "busybody" among other turns of phrase in these descriptions may not be universally understood and are again opinionated. The importance of enforcing this policy is underlined by the fact that, upon her second appearance, I no longer would agree with "very evil lady" in reference to Svetlanka. I disagreed with the use of the phrase in describing David Bishop and removed it but it was reinstated with the text "reinstate desc of David. Though wikipedia is meant to be NPOV, articles may still include personal descriptions and evaluations of *fictional* characters in a TV series.)" in the note... if this is an official or even unofficial policy of wikipedia, please could someone give other examples/point me in right direction. I disagree with this on the basis that "evaluations" are not going to be universally agreed on. What do others think?
- David Pendray dpen2000 19:12, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I think the point is that these characters are deliberately written and played in a particular way. Valda is an over-the-top busybody and often comic relief because she's written with those characteristics in mind. We're not describing real people, we're talking about fictional creations who have a role to fulfil, and describing what that role is. That Harold is often a bumbling twit is as much a part of what he does in the programme as the fact that he runs the Coffee Shop. It's no more POV than describing, say, Achilles as a "tragic hero". I agree a few of them need to be altered because they're out of date, and if idioms like "chalk and cheese" cause confusion, then they should be changed for comprehension's sake. But I don't see POV as an issue here. Bonalaw 09:22, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I think most of these descriptions are very accurate, and arn't that biased. However I think 3 and 6 should probably be changed, as Sky hasn't been rebelious until around early 2004, and I don't think Connor really is a naive character. Cyclone49 12:49, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
I think if we could aim for descriptions of the same quality as on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Archers, then that would be cool. - David Pendray dpen2000 11:56, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Spoilers
I know there's a spoiler heading on the page, but I'm pretty sure that applies only to episodes that have ALREADY BEEN SCREENED. I know it's possible to see the coming week's storylines around the place, but can we keep them off the article? Though I'm glad the whole Karl spoiler that was posted was false, let's try and stop it happening in the future. MrHate 09:54, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)
- I agree. I think this article should be written at Australian pace, and the spoiler warning should apply to people from the UK and other countries that get it later than Aus. Otherwise a lot of viewers that don't want to be spoiled, like me, won't be able to edit the article.Cyclone49 09:39, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Someone has edited a lot of the character profiles with information that has not aired in Australia yet. I've edited a couple of the biographies back to their original form, but since I try to avoid spoilers I would rather not read the other spoilers. Could someone who does read spoilers please revert the pages back so that they do not include spoilers for Australian viewers. Cyclone49 06:06, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Notable episodes
The notable episodes list either needs to focus more on the actual episodes, giving episode numbers, or be folded into the new seasons section. Oliver Chettle 12:38, 2 May 2005 (UTC)