Talk:Moravia
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however, modern historians and archaeologists debate this, citing the probable Slavic origins of the name Samo among other supporting factors.
Samo is derived from Germanic language :same = M.E. (Old Saxon), O.N. samr,sami Goth. sama. German language Samen (Semen)= English seeds. Other samples; Samland , Prussia, Sami or Lapps in northern Europe etc.
- That is one theory. Since at least the 1970s, there has been a lot of scholarly debate on this. There may be no relation at all to the German Samen. Sometimes words in different languages are identical, but may not be related. One of the leaders of the "Samo was a Slav" argument is in fact a German scholar.
The Slavs who came into Germania also took over many German/ic words and often adapted them. Krol for example means king in Slavic. It is derived from Karol(us) ,king/emperor Karl der Grosse or Charlemagne, who ruled over the land. user:H.J.
Samo ruled teritories probably more south from Moravia, some say that he ruled Pannonia. However it would worth mentioning later state of Great Moravia, which was destroyed by Hungarians, and which destrouction allowed to creating states of Poland and Czech szopen
Nothing of above is true. Samo was trully primarily a Frankish merchant in a province Senonago, as it is mentioned in the article (Fredegarii Chronicon circa 658), but he had no Frankish roots. He was indeed a Slav. Moreover, according to some sources (well known Conversio Bagoariorum et Carantanorum) he was a Karantanian and therefore he was a Slovene. Although this source is some 200 years subsequent than Fredegar's chronicle but it is epitomized from an older records in Solnograd (circa 873), we should nevertheless infer that this is better source than a faraway Frankish one. So Samo (623 - 658) was a king of one of the earliest Slavic states. (See more in Karantania article). Because Samo had hindered Frankish merchants or Frankish influence a war striked out with a Frankish king Dagobert I, Merovingian (603 - 639), who went over Samo's army with all powers of Austrasia (Avstrazia). But in 631 at Wogastisburg (probably Forchheim in Frankish territory) he lost the final battle. This union of states under Samo's goverment is the most important state formation of Slavs at that time. Best regard. -- XJamRastafire 18:53 Sep 4, 2002 (PDT)
LINGUISTICALLY it's 4 to 1 in favor of Slavianophils:
The word-root 'SOMO-' is Indoeuropean \See 'A Dictionary of Selected Synonyms in the Principal Indo-European Languages' by Carl Darling Buck\ and not just 'Germanic'. The meaning of this root (C.D.Buck) is "itself related to others for 'together'". The ending '-O' is the standard vocative ending for the first names in modern Ukrainian (a Slavic language). The most popular Ukrainian word of all times is 'SAMOSTIYNOST' ("Independence") as opposed to Russian 'SAMOSTOYATELNOST' ("independence"), both having the connotation "self-standing". So, linggguistically speaking, it's 4 to 1 in favor of the Slavianophils. And also take into account that the "Germans" and the "Slavs" in the 7th century were less apart from each other in their languages and in all other aspects of everyday life than it has been depicted in the course of recent 800 years.
So much for the "Frankish merchant" who could be just a Slavic 'merchant trading with Franks' as well as the treacherous Frank committing treason of his country and the king.
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on this 29 day of November 2003.
Moravian language, wait & see
"The Moravians speak Czech dialects..." ---Judging from the way dialects mysteriously become languages the next day, expect to see a Moravian language article in the future. Decius 23:46, 12 May 2005 (UTC)