Talk:Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark

Changes by an anon

Can someone confirm or deny the changes made by an anon IP here - [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Mary%2C_Crown_Princess_of_Denmark&diff=0&oldid=7639706) ? -- Chuq 07:40, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Australian royals

Maybe they are referring to Prince Leonard as the first Australian royal? :-). Only joking!--202.154.105.254 22:44, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

IIRC there was another Australian woman who married a member of the royal family of some Muslem country. Maybe in the 1970s? I base this on a vague recollection of Letter to the Editor in the Age, so it might not exactly be very reliable. Felix the Cassowary 23:28, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Do you mean Susan Cullen-Ward, the wife of the pretender to the Albanian throne? Thayvian 05:56, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Ambiguity

Crown Princess Mary met Crown Prince Frederik in the Slip Inn, in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia during the 2000 Summer Olympics. There were several other European royal princes and princesses there also.

Does the second sentence mean there were several other royals in the Slip Inn, or just in Sydney?--202.154.105.254 22:44, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I don't know what the original author meant, but there were other royals in the Slip Inn. [2] (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/04/1036308258205.html) indicates that Mary and two friends met Frederik in the Slip Inn. Frederik was with Nikolaos, Prince of Greece, Prince Joaquim of Denmark and Princess Martha of Norway. Thayvian 06:01, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Censored ?

Where has the reference to Princess Mary living with Brent Annels gone? That is part of her history, and relevant to a princess's history. This has been censored by the PR machine in Copenhagen. Hence the anon. IP They are embarrassed about Princess Mary's past. Check the Royal Blue forums for debate and discussion about Mary Donaldson and all the lies gradually uncovered about her background.

Fiona

I deleted that part because it has never been confirmed by either parties that they ever lived together anywhere!

Regarding your (g_w’s) reference to Royal Blue: I say pffffff

Numerous errors

I reverted an article by Mowens35 because it contained numerous errors. :

• 1. Never lawyer. Media invention.
• 2. Never real estage agent. Media invention.
• 3. Father's second wife is Susan Elizabeth Donaldson (nee Horwood), an author using several pseudonyms.
• 4. Sister Jane pharmacist.
• 5. Sister Patricia intensive care nurse.
• 6. Brother John geologist.
• 7. Crown Prince Frederik never participated in the olympics.
• 8. Honeymoon destination never confirmed. Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet article 2005 stated they stayed on a farm in KENYA for a while.
• 9. Name of ex-boyfriend not in the referred book.
• 10. 7 interviews a 3 hours makes 21 hours of interviews.
• 11. Wolden-Raethinge's book NOT a biography at all. It only contains replies from those 21 hours of interviews.
• 12. Bad translations from the book.
• 13. She was a citizen of the United Kingdom from birth, but in 1975 she also became a citizen of Australia.
• 14. Did NOT convert religion. As a protestant presbyterian she simply entered lutheranism.
• 15. Denmark does indeed allow women to accede the throne! No new laws necessary in that regard. However, male issue pass older female issue.

Probably more errors, but as some insists on re-publishing them, no point in editing. In my opinion this article proves wikipedia is absolutely unreliable as a source

An editor makes appropriate changes, rather than reverting an article in a preemptory manner that appears to have more to do with personal pique than editorial precision. I have updated the texts based on your comments but it would be extremely courteous of you to identify yourself with four tildes as other Wikipedians do. As for Wiki being unreliable as a source, by now you should realize that as an online encyclopaedia to which anyone can contribute, it is a work in progress and errors can be made, generally in good faith. However, these errors can be corrected. I gladly have made the following changes, based upon your comments. And if you spot any other errors, please be kind enough and professional enough to point out the errors, provide citations to disprove or clarify them, and then edit accordingly. That is what you are to do as a Wikipedian. It would be best if you put the pique and high dudgeon aside, however. It makes the job more enjoyable if we work in concert rather than in opposition.

1. Deleted. 2. Deleted. 3. Clarified. 4,5,6. Deleted professions until further notice. 7. Deleted reference to participation. 8. Clarified and added newspaper reference you cited. 9. I did not say the book mentioned him by name; she talked of a man she was involved with for seven years, and it was Annells she was talking about. I have merely identified the unidentified party, which is certainly no secret. 10. Clarified. 11. Clarified. 12. If you would like to translate the relevant passages yourself or have someone else do it, please go right ahead. At present, they are the best translations available for the topic at hand. 13. Clarified. 14. Clarified. 15. Clarified. Mowens35 10:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

That pouch

User:Mowens35 has explained to me offline the change he put in place about the Prince's remarks about the "kangaroo in the pouch", and I appreciate his scholarship. However, I am not sure that all readers of Wikipedia would know the reproductive cycle of the Kangaroo, hence I have re-introduced the explanation about how the female kangaroo carries a juvenile (called a joey) in a pouch for up to a year." It's actually quite cute that the Prince made this culturally-specific Australian allusion in respect of his wife. Peter Ellis 14:47, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

More errors

Family: * spelling Frederik -- I doubt Susan's legal name has been Horwood the past 40 years Courtship: * spelling Nikolaos , * no hyphen Märtha Louise, * add Crown Prince Felipe

• Met ex-boyfriend as fellow student on Tasmania university, he was born in Hobart and was son of a Tasmanian chief of tourism. In my opion all stuff on ex-boyfriends of a person who became a royal at the age of 32 are entirely tabloid stuff.

Pregnancy: * Interview with Denton done sunday 13.february in Copenhagen, first time screened monday 28.february 2005

"Soon after the wedding, the Crown Prince told reporters that they wouldn't have to wait long before he would be announcing"

• Not exactly. 15.august 2004 asked about how many they would be at the olympics in 2008, he said :”Om 4 år skulle der gerne være lidt flere kænguruer i pungen.” In 4 years there gladly should be some more joeys in the pouch.

Residences: * spelling Frederik

All you do is complain and refuse to identify yourself. Why don't you just make constructive suggestions instead of sounding aggrieved? The Horwood reference comes from a variety of sources, including the Danish royal website, from CP Mary's own biographical page (click the Curriculum VItae to confirm); surely she approved the ID of her stepmother. And Wiki convention is to spell the late King Frederick's name as FREDERICK, not FREDERIK, as the Crown Prince does. (Check out Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). I'm happy to fix what you haven't in the text. Also, I cannot add Prince Felipe to the list of people who were at the Slip-Inn because his name was not in the direct quote; anyone knows you cannot alter quotes. And his presence doesn't make their meeting any more or less significant. And by your reckoning, the kangaroo quote was uttered three months after the wedding, which is "shortly after" by anybody's calendar, except perhaps yours. By the way, are you a relative? Or just a professional chide? Mowens35 22:49, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also, re the boyfriend issue ... If she had dated and/or lived with Annells for a year, that would be one thing. Instead, they maintained an apparently serious relationship for seven years. It is a relationship CP Mary has talked about, on record, so therefore it is part of the public record and certainly nothing to be ashamed about. In any other Wiki entry re a significant person, if he or she had been involved with an individual in what appears to have been a longstanding relationship, then Wiki would include it. (See entry on another "new" royal, Mette-Marit, CP of Norway.) Whether that individual has "become" a royal in the meantime has no bearing on the facts; becoming royal doesn't make one immune to the facts of one's life, even innocuous ones. (Once again, see entries for Mette-Marit and others.) Wiki is an encyclopaedia, not a censor. Unlike the Swedish royal family's website, which in the case of the beloved Princess Lilian completely glosses over the fact that her late husband, Prince Bertil, lived together for 33 years before they married. Mowens35 07:55, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Don't be surprised. I have it on good authority that a member of the British Royal Family is a contributor to wikipedia. (I have been told whom, but that is one secret not to be revealed!) If the person making anonymous contributions is a Danish royal, they aren't the first (or it is rumoured even the second) royal from Europe to contribute. FearÉIREANN 23:05, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)