Talk:Knot
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Can someone explain in the article what jamming and non-jamming mean? As in the Alpine butterfly knot is a non-jamming loop on the bight. --Audiovideo 02:46, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
General
I noticed no reference whatsoever to the use of the word "knot" to mean a large wad of bills, generally kept in most urban street entrepeneur's front pant pocket. The wad of bills from a side view resembles layered fibers of an actual rope, while creating an impenetrable dense mass.
Are you spelunking?, having foolishly but voluntarily buried yourself pre-maturely under millions of tons of rock?
Whilst I doubt this has a place in a serious encyclopedia, it kept me amused...
I felt that the basic terms like "bight" were better included in the main entry, so I killed my brand new bight article and stuck it and a few other definitions (wiki not dictionary) in a bulleted list.
I started to do the same to the categories of knots, but backed off when I looked at loop. I still think these terms would be better defined within the main entry. Hearing no objections, I'll probably continue to make these changes, taking care not to make a mess.
Also, how about some sub-categories in that looooong list of knot names? Ortolan88 June 02
Just figured out how 'Talk' works. I am pleased to have the above observations either anonymous or from you Ortolan88.
I am very new to this endeavor and I am still learning the Wiki editing, such as how to embed my handle Satsun, thanks Ortolan88.
like "bight" ... I agree and hope the picture assists. We can keep a brief inline definition and add a link to a more replete link later.
The second observation is right on the mark. I would like to see the categories turned to links and therein will be sub-lists of knots that fall into those categories. Many knots, of course, will appear in multiple lists.
I feel that a comphrensive master list of knots needs to exist for our users. I am hoping to provide a standard look to the pictures. Later adding articles/pictures showing intermediate steps to tying each knot.
A useful list of reference materials is need: Ashley's Book of Knots... A short list of the most practical knots all should know: overhand, figure eight, bowline, constrictor...
Its knot to late to add more good ideas. Satsun, 18 JUNE 2002
Good luck to the person/persons who have taken it upon themselves to complete this part of the pedia. richhill
Hey, Satsun, I like moving the full list of knots out of the article, but how about a short list of knots for the main article, "the eight great knots everyone should know how to tie" or something like that, overhand, square knot (and its buddy the shoe-tying bow), sheet bend, two half-hitches, bowline, figure-of-eight (I knew you knew what you were doing when you didn't call it "figure-eight"), etc. Ortolan88
I have one problem with that. The 'should' in the title seems a bit too prescriptive for an encyclopedia, in my opinion. But that's nothing that can't be solved with a bit of rewording. -- Ellmist
Eight great knots. I don't know that anyone would really get upset by a "should", but ...Ortolan88
hi, Ortolan88/Ellmist,
Please go ahead and add your list. A comment and link to the fellow that has the speed record for tying the the "Scout" knots would also be interesting.
Satsun, Sunday, July 14, 2002
Hi Satsun. I modified your template a little bit to start with a sentence explaining that the entry is a type of knot. I had to read halfway down the Sheepshank page before I realized it was talking about a knot. -- Nate
This article really needs to be split, with a knot disambiguation at the top. Egil 09:04 Feb 3, 2003 (UTC)
You might try to move the top 7 or so knot properties into a table, and leave the main section for history, descriptions, tying tips, proper usage, etc. I do not like the header format - the headers are too large for such small bits of information. Also, the grey and black illustrations are very clear and easy to read. The unprofessional pictures of tightened knots i.e Trucker's_hitch can be somewhat unclear (my apologies to the photographer - those who can't do, whine & complain), although the properly lit shots i.e Figure-of-eight knot can be both attractive and informative.
bowline links to slip knot as part of directions on how to tie it "lighting fast". Unfortunately, this redirects to knot, which doesn't seem to have directions on how to tie a slip knot. *sigh* --Johnleemk 10:37, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This article is accompanied by a beautiful picture of several knots, conveniently numbered, and I have no idea what any of them are (and since I'm moving, and haven't yet unpacked from moving here, I couldn't tell you where I've put Clifford Ashley). ♥ «Charles A. L.» 01:04, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)
- 2) I updated the caption. number 4 still has me stuck but it sure does look like a 'rosebud' stopper. TheHungryTiger 22:51, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)
To Ortolan88 .. Dear Sir i think that your idea of eight knots or bends and hitches ,that every one should know is great,but please put in the safe ones, not ones like the blackwall hitch or midshipmans hitch,that will slip if there is any oil on or in the rope,allso, the easy ones,that you can tie in a force eight gale,on a black wet night, Regards Ratty876 ...
Knots, Splices and Rope Work on Project Gutenberg
Project Gutenberg recently posted Knots, Splices and Rope Work (http://www.gutenberg.org/dirs/1/3/5/1/13510/13510-h/13510-h.htm), by A. Hyatt Verrill which has many illustrations which could be used for the knot pages. -- Jim Regan 19:17, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I reorganized this discussion in an attempt to make it more readable. Hopefully I have not distorted any of the comments, etc.--my sincere apologies if I have. BoomHitch 03:20, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Formatting for subtopics
Knot name is a type of knot.
Canonical Name:.
Variant Name(s): None.
[completed picture]
Category: bend.binding.coil.decorative.hitch.lashing.loop on the end.loop on the bight.noose.plaits.stopper.seizing,sennit.whipping.
Origin: Ancient.Modern.Old.Unknown.
Related knots: to other knots
Releasing: Jamming. Non-jamming.
Efficiency: Unknown%.60%.
Caveat: None.spills.slips.secure if wet.not secure if wet.Low efficiency.Difficult to tie.
Uses: Forming other knots, Boating, Fishing, Climbing, Caving, Securing objects, Securing to objects.
Comments:
Structure: ex. Figure-of-eight knot
Tying: article/pictures
Proposal: Template Template:Knot-details
Other wikipedia pages use some type of template for information which is laid-out in the same way across many articles, leaving the page itself freeform for writing about that specific item.
Wiki guidelines on information boxes has a few examples
Howabout something like that for knots? Ojw 19:11, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I like it. Thanks for the work. It can always be modified for aesthetics later (that's the beauty of templates--no pun intended) (I would prefer a different color for the top line,
perhaps some color added to the knot picture(sorry, I must be asleep)). BoomHitch 07:41, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
- Would anyone be intereted in reviving Wikipedia:WikiProject Knots? Samw 03:40, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)