Talk:Innocence: Ghost in the Shell
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Quotes relating to "Innocence & Life"
I found these quotes (Mamoru Oshii is know to be concern by religious implications since his earlier age)
"Innocence is life untested, but virtue is innocence tested and triumphant" in WH Griffith Thomas, Hebrews: A Devotional Commentary, found at [1] (http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22innocence+is+life+untested%22)
He learned obedience in the sense that He learned to obey His father's will as a human. For Jesus, God's will involved suffering (cf. Phil. 2:6-8). "Innocence is life untested, but virtue is innocence tested and triumphant." note 153
"Innocence was lost and conscience was born"
Another quote related to Adam and Eve in W. H. Griffith Thomas, The Book of Genesis.
- Actually, it's from Walvoord, if you'd care to follow the annotation.
"And banished from man's life his happiest life,Simplicity and spotless innocence!" Paradise Lost, by John Milton
- These quotes were a bit problematic, since it's an encyclopedia and all and shouldn't just spout quotes for the atmosphere; we need to retain a neutral point of view. I left in the first quote from the list, and took out the second. Additionally, I'm a bit concerned about the number of quotes by Oshii included in this article. It should probably be reduced a bit, but I'm not sure there. -- towo 15:09, 2004 Jun 25 (UTC)
- Just fine Towo the article was a first 'jet' and you do a good "revamp" ;-)
The movie is so full of quotes i mean it is really a part of Oshii work... --Neuromancien 09:26, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Prob. you could put in a "Directors take" or something like that and instead of quoting Oshii, you could summarize what he says? -- Aparajit 06:15, Jun 29, 2004 (UTC)
removed link
Removed this link while editing. I can't read japanese, can anyone tell me if it's useful? http://www8.ocn.ne.jp/~medaka/diary-innocence.html . Kim Bruning 07:26, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
- some original comments and references but hard to translate (babel) (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww8.ocn.ne.jp%2F%7Emedaka%2Fdiary-innocence.html&lp=ja_en) --Neuromancien 23:07, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
- This is a review by a movie afficionado and I don't think it's suitable to be linked. Revth 02:53, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Correct title
Often, the title seems to be given as "Ghost In The Shell: Innocence", "Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence" or even just "Innocence" - in fact, "Innocence: Ghost in the Shell" seems to be the least-used form of title. IMDB entry (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0347246/), for example. I know this is being a bit picky, but it would be good if we could figure out which is the best title to put the article under.
In any case, I've set up several redirects in the meantime, since someone could use any of the names - plus a disambiguation page for "Ghost in the Shell 2", which a lot of people seem to call it. (No disambiguation for "Innocence", though.) I'm not 100% sure these are entirely neccesary, but they should all help people find this entry more easily. - makomk 13:13, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Official Website (http://productionig.com/) says Innocence: Ghost in the Shell 2. -- towo 14:50, 2004 Oct 13 (UTC)
- Actually, when I looked at the website, the sidebar said "Innocence: Ghost in the Shell 2", but there was an article (http://productionig.com/news.php?id=31) at the bottom of the page referring to "Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence". Can't they make their minds up? (Also, poster (http://www.gofishpictures.com/GITS2/)) -- makomk 08:13, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Well, then I don't see any reason that we use unofficial name while there is one indisputed official title. (I mean, in some cases, there are more then one official titlte and this is probably not the case for this movie.) -- Taku 17:28, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)
- Both the video itself and the film site (http://www.innocence-movie.jp/) just give イノセンス it might be worth mentioning. The sub/sur title is just clarifying the relationship and disambiguation. --zippedmartin 21:26, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)