Talk:Hymn
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see also Chorale seems the best way to cope with it. seglea 21:49, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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Is Johann Gerhardt aka 'Paul'?
That's how he's listed in my hymnal. Is this an alias or an error? Left it as is because I don't know. Quill 07:10, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Isaac Watts
The article presently has a line to the effect that "early English hymnists such as Isaac Watts tended to paraphrase Psalms, while later writers took more liberties". True enough, except that I had read (CyberHymnal, linked in article, IIRC) that Watts wrote the first English hymn which wasn't a paraphrase of Scripture. Thus, the problem is that it's so nearly true that it's a shame to lose the sentence, but it's not true enough to stay as is.
Anyone got any bright ideas? Wooster 17:40, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- I take your point, although I think the word 'tended' mitigates this somewhat. It's not that what is written is 'nearly' true; it is true, it just doesn't give Watts enough credit. Wait a sec; one bright idea coming up....See what you think. Quill 00:43, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Love it. I will slip the word direct in "a paraphrase", just to make doubly sure that we clarify that Watts' hymns drew on Scripture, but not all of them were paraphrases. After all, it's almost a matter of definition that (Christian) hymns draw on Biblical truth for their inspiration and material, but aren't necessarily paraphrases. Wooster 14:54, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Oh, I don't know about that last--I've heard some pretty inane hymns in my time ;) Cheers Quill 22:15, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- If we don't have one yet, we do need an article about the several metrical psalters. Theodore Beza and Clement Marot made an excellent one in French, which was so good that their psalms still being sung. Sternhold and Hopkins, whom you've justly never heard of, made an absolute dog's breakfast of the English one, so theirs is almost entirely forgotten; the last remnant is the hymn tune Old 100th. Later improvers like Nahum Tate tried to do better, but by then the moment had passed, and as a result English congregations sing hymns with original lyrics. Smerdis of Tlön 15:30, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Of the Father's Love Begotten
I looked up the abovenamed hymn in my hymnal ("We Celebrate", World Library Publications), where it is said to date from the 11th century. Current article text puts it in the 13th. A minor detail, to be sure, and I have no evidence other than the one hymnal (the other hymnal I have doesn't include that hymn). Any ideas? (Blahedo 21:18, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC))
- Good catch. The Hymnal, 1982 (Episcopal) also dates the music, Divinum Mysterium, from the 11th Century. I'm changing it. Quill 22:52, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Monotheist bias?
I'm asking first, as such things can raise hackles, but shouldn't the word "God" in the opening sentence be lowercased and directed to deity? --Thesquire 04:27, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)